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Originally posted by SGL http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/1...atured-at-namm/ http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=45804 http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=19836 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/print...253426&start=30

I'm reading a lot of speculation but precious little real explanation and testing.

What is there to test? Ableton sounds different when given the same paramters, as compared to any other DAW.

Load a .wav in ableton, then load it into cubase, fl, logic....fl, cubase, and logic, will all sound utterly identical, ableton will sound different.

You know, it cannot be a case that thousands of people unanimously agreed to lie about the very same thing in a very specific program.

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I don't have Cubase, FL, or Logic, so someone else can do that test I guess.

The millions of threads on the internet are all the test I need.

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It looks like Ableton updated the audio engine with version 7.0.

http://downloads.ableton.com/manual...ct_sheet-en.pdf

^ There are some real technical tests rather than speculation.

Yes, because listening to something and hearing the difference is mere speculation.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Yes, because listening to something and hearing the difference is mere speculation.

The other day in Music Discussion some idiot claimed to be able to "hear the difference" between FLAC and WAV files. I don't trust bald claims about what people hear.

FLAC and WAV lol

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E = mc² is the optical illusion of E = mc²/2

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Just for the sake of this argument, I installed Ableton again and loaded up some patches on Reason and rewired it.

Same patches untouched, sound much more clear on tracktion & samplitude.

On Ableton, again untouched, sound 'airy' and really 'washed out'.

On Sony's Acid, they start to sound very mono.

I guess Mackie Tracktion 3 and Reason 4 will be in my arsenal for a very long time.

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Originally posted by SGL http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/1...atured-at-namm/ http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=45804 http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=19836 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/print...253426&start=30 These are from different sites. There are tons and tons of them floating around the web. If Ableton's audio engine wasn't so bad, I doubt there would be so many speculations. Like I said, I have rewired reason 4 to it with some patches I have made from before & I can clearly hear the difference when rewired to Ableton, as opposed to other DAWs or even just having Reason as standalone.

You're just not understanding that there are MANY small settings within each daw that could slightly alter the output of audio files from it. I'd say the real problem is people don't know their equipment; probably because most of it has been pirated

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 What is there to test? Ableton sounds different when given the same paramters, as compared to any other DAW. Load a .wav in ableton, then load it into cubase, fl, logic....fl, cubase, and logic, will all sound utterly identical, ableton will sound different. You know, it cannot be a case that thousands of people unanimously agreed to lie about the very same thing in a very specific program.

There are more things that change the sound in ableton such as dithering, consolidation, the warping engine (and even further which type of warping engine is used).

Bring the proof or continue to bend over in this argument; you're making yourself look even more retarded than usual.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The millions of threads on the internet are all the test I need.

And that tells us all we needed to know about your statements; they're based on second hand opinions.