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| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
I think all of these experts should pool their money and open up a club...
Revolve its operating philosophy around 100% customer service with all of these issues as well as all of the bitching issues we've heard on TA over the years...
World class DJs every weekend
$5 cover all the time
$2 every drink
free water
only hire nice guys for security
have 5 entrances so there are no lines
limit capacity so there is 5 square feet around all patrons
what else???
Oh yah
free earplugs...
For sure this place would stay open for many years... |
Great, so now we have so-called "business experts" or "club experts" criticizing the ideas in this thread?
Unless you actually own and run a club, your comments have no more credibility and weight than anyone else's here.
Guess what, many clubs in Toronto have failed while implementing exactly ZERO of these ideas.
Quite a few clubs in Toronto have failed while implementing a "customer last" philosophy.
Also, guess what, some of the BEST club events I've ever been to in Toronto were either no cover, or only $10-15 to get in.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
everytime ive been in europe the minimum cover for a PUB on a weekend to see dj nobody was 10-15 Euros.
now bring in ONE top name or guest and that goes to about 30 or 40 Euros.
Clubs that have several guests tend to run about 50 Euros or more.
Drinks are usually about 7-10 Euros.
Even in China they were charging the equivalent of $45 canadian dollars at the door for Ferry Corsten and it was rammed! Oh and bottles there were about $200 (minimum 3)
In Wales i paid 25 pounds for Guy Ornadel.
Lets not even talk about Ibiza.. take the top prices i just mentioned and double them.
As for guest list. It doesnt exist anywhere else like it does here!
The only place ive been where its been cheaper to party was argentina and thats because they devalued their currency. But even still, for them $50 pesos was like us spending $100 considering they make on average $1000 pesos a month.
So yeah, clubs in toronto are economical. |
Ah, so now I see your context.
Now let's compare apples-to-apples, shall we? A lot of people in relatively poor countries can't afford to go clubbing.
Likewise, some people in Toronto can't afford clubbing. We are NOT talking about those people. We are strictly talking about people who can afford clubbing.
Comparing Ibiza is meaningless. Ibiza is legendary, and the line-up of DJs that come there as well as the things that go on in clubs there, people can only dream of in Toronto. Of course it's going to be expensive there.
Where exactly in Europe have you paid 10-15 Euros to see DJ X at a pub, I'm just curious. Also did you enjoy those nights?
Here's a newsflash for you, I've paid $10-15 to get into pubs in Toronto and the GTA area, and the "DJ" present at some of those nights is worse than "DJ nobody". Having paid $10-15, I would then have to put up with a "DJ" who could not even beatmatch, and who usually is not even *AT* the decks 50% of the time, instead he just puts some CD in to play and mingles at the bar.
Also, where exactly in Europe does it cost over 50 Euros for several guests at a club?
Here's a fact: events like Trance Energy or Sensation in Europe usually only cost 45-50 Euros. Trance Energy tickets this year are 47 Euros. For the price, you get a line-up that absolutely annihilates and obliterates *ANYTHING* offered in Toronto, let alone Canada. Sensation offers a world-class experience and atmosphere unlike anything ever seen in Toronto or Canada. It's like combining a Cirque du Soleil show with a huge club event, except on a much bigger scale.
Last year in Eastern Europe, there was a big Tiesto event, and tickets cost only an equivalent of $35-40 dollars. The event had a better atmosphere, stage setup, and overall better everything than Tiesto's Arrow Hall event here. He also played a pretty good set there, unlike the joke of a set he played over in Arrow Hall. I use Tiesto as an extremely obvious example of a major DJ event.
Fact is, you get what you pay for.
Sure, for some of you, Toronto might "seem" economical, but Toronto does not get world-class variety, nor does it get world-class atmosphere, stage setups, lighting, etc.
Some things like a great party atmosphere, money can't buy. That definitely factors into the economical argument.
There is also something else to consider: many clubs in Toronto do not stay open all night. Think about the "economical" aspect of that, versus many clubs in Europe that stay open all night into the morning.
This is not even getting into events like Street Parade or Love Parade, which are incredibly economical.
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Re. everything else tho, the best way to get the club to address certain issues is to stop paying. |
Many people, along with myself, have stopped paying for clubs in Toronto long ago. This has not really changed the perspective of club owners here. Unfortunately, this is simply part of the culture of Toronto; a culture of profits first, everything else second, a culture of mediocrity and a culture of zero accountability.
I actually met a club owner in the city who was going through some rough times with his club. He blamed everyone and everything around him, but he refused to put any sort of blame on himself, that his perspective and point-of-view of running a club was wrong.
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
This isn't exactly true, and it I've found that the prices are almost entirely dependent on which country your visiting...
The UK, France, and obviously the bigger "touristy" places like Ibiza and Mykonos tend to be exactly as you described, big cover charge, expensive drinks, etc....
But their are exceptions, such as Berlin, Warsaw, Florence, Croatia, amongst others, where it's quite economical. In Berlin for example, I'd consider it unusual to pay more than €20 cover, even with a crazy crazy lineup (obviously festivals are the exception). In fact, cover is more likely to be anywhere from €8-€15. Drinks are usually around €4-€6. However the trade off, in Berlin anyways, is a ridiculously tight door policy, which imo isn't really a downside...
Truth be told, if you forget about airfare, clubbing in Europe can actually be done pretty cheap, if you go to the right country and can get through the door.. |
Exactly.
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