And I had the misfortune of being at the infamous Hullabaloo stabbing.

Geez, it's almost like saying I was at Altamont.

Part of the reason I still have fun is that each time might be my last. I don't want to be the creepy old guy at the party.

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Originally posted by petro Just face it, you got old, your raving days are behind you now let the kids make the most out of THEIR scene. Yeah to you their scene might seem like balls, but how can you judge what they feel? I'm sure they think every night of theirs is an adventure and soul searching journey, just like you did when you started.

Considering you quoted, then agreed with everything I said, I find this part perplexing as you seemed to get the point.

Of course I'm aware of the differences in eras, the whole thread has been about those differences, but I'm not judging "what they feel".

I even stated they probably find it most enjoyable. I'm not bashing them for their personal journey as a partier, everyone undergoes that same trip whether they drink, do a pill/line, go to a top 40 or a house club.

What I said was their scene is balls, mostly because of the elements that seem to dominate the community as a whole & the pop culture most of them come from as a generation.

Think of how the Jungle scene turned into thuggy trash once the hip-hop posers got a hold of it.

Much like the warehouse people lamented the move into nightclubs, I'm just pointing out that the social elements/ideas that were once prevalent have now been discarded. The mainstream took the turntables and some of the music, and left the rest.

Of course this is all a factor of time, like I previously stated. Doesn't mean I'm not right about the current state of the culture as a whole.

That kid died in 1999 at hullabaloo from an OD. Thats what started sandra poopytello off. I remember because i was outside promoting for DOSE Freakin 99 halloween. Thats the party at the docks that councillor Sandra Bussin and that long gone idiot Tom Jackobek claimed they could hear from the beaches. (when as we came to learn later, it was the islanders bitching)

Thats also a time when i refused to give the cops ID. They asked everyone and i told them basically to fuck off

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Originally posted by Jayx1 That kid died in 1999 at hullabaloo from an OD. Thats what started sandra poopytello off. I remember because i was outside promoting for DOSE Freakin 99 halloween. Thats the party at the docks that councillor Sandra Bussin and that long gone idiot Tom Jackobek claimed they could hear from the beaches. (when as we came to learn later, it was the islanders bitching)

I love to learn and today the true story was told, thank you sir.

Didn't make sense to me, how would Jungle Room bass rumbled & travelled to all the condos on lakeshore. It was loud and clean, but only the Valve System can produce that power.

RIP Alan

i think that the scene in to is been getting better if anything.

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Originally posted by VDub Ive commented manytimes but then digitwaat chimes in with the same get out of the past bullshit...

Nope, I agree with Rob. He is speaking of a very different phenomena than what you reference in your old fogey fist-shaking "nothing will ever be like the Guvernment was in 2000" rants.

In Rob's parlance, this would be an instance of the bar crowd being assimilated into the club scene. And if I recall correctly, we all predicted this would happen 4-5 years ago.

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Originally posted by petro We all have a party life-span (usually lasts 5 years, anything more than that and you need to re-asses your life)

It's this that pretty much renders the rest of what you're saying full of shee-it.

A good number of the partiers I know have been at what they're doing for at least a decade, and most of them still love hitting the dancefloor and getting their groove on, while still managing to lead otherwise fulfilling and relatively successful lives. Since when does dancing and letting off some stream have some magical window of opportunity that closes once you reach a certain age?

My other query is to those who claim that electronic music has went and gone all mainstream in Toronto and whatnot. If that's the case, then why don't we have the same size parties as the ones that have been going on in most major European cities for ages, and why don't we have outdoor, multiple day electronic music festivals like they do?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno It's this that pretty much renders the rest of what you're saying full of shit. The partiers I know (most of whom happen to be other DJs) have been at what they're doing for at least a decade, and most of them still love hitting the dancefloor and getting their groove on. Since when does dancing and letting off some stream have some magical window of opportunity that closes once you reach a certain age? My other query is to those who claim that electronic music has went and gone all mainstream in Toronto and whatnot. If that's the case, then why don't we have the same size parties as the ones that have been going on in most major European cities for ages, and why don't we have outdoor, multiple day electronic music festivals like they do?

To be fair, for the majority he is somewhat right. If he qualified his statement with hard-core partying, or era of peak attendance, it's not that outlandish a claim.

As to the 2nd point, I would argue that EDM isn't mainstream so much as the audience experiencing it is. Certainly EDM is more accepted thanks to commercial exposure, and you are as likely to hear a Deadmau5 track @ a generic top40 club as you are in a set.

It's kind of funny actually that a Top40 "Dj" with his laptop & itunes spins a cross-genre set that sounds like it came from Fly.

Part of the issue with the new audience is that they aren't walking in with a need or want to be educated. Not that a ton of people aren't grabbed by it and delve deeper, but that community has dwindled considerably which is why there isn't the new blood that people have moaned about as long as 6+yrs.

EDM for the most part is just another track in the popular soundscape now. I also do feel bad if those that are still carrying the flag with great local events feel disparaged, as I'm sure things aren't completely dead and they no doubt enjoy their community.

I've tried to stay out of the EDM in pop culture debate, as mostly my comments are about the community and ideals that used to set genuine EDM heads apart from the rest of "clubbers".

As for the large parties it's venue space + capital and the market.

With the political headaches and the stigma of raves in the bylaws it's hard to get an EDM only event treated fairly as a modern concert.

Unless a promoter/investor wants to fight all those battles in order to make a profit (if that's even possible) for what amounts to a big club night, you won't see one anytime soon. Risk/reward and all that.

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i said it once and i'll say it again and again. when system closed the doors that was it !!

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty i said it once and i'll say it again and again. when system closed the doors that was it !!

I would say after the last set of "renovations" about 6 months or so before hand.

The giant statue in the back room, the loss of the enclosed side lounge, and the front room with the red lights/white walls just gutted the vibe of the club.

Same mistake Industry made, you do not fuck with your lounge areas without replacing them.

The "Champagne Lounge" (before the Chris Rock joke) ruined that place.

To expand on the "big parties" debate, I would also point the finger of blame directly @ the Guvernment.

That place pulls thousands through it's doors twice a week minimum (or used too).

People don't realize that there are certain people that control the pool of bookings/talent, something that was a big part of the battles between The Guvernment & other major clubs which lead or contributed to the struggles and demise of places like System, Turbo, The Docks, Boa Redux, etc.

Certainly there were a host of other factors, but Guvy controls the scene with an iron pimp hand.

Mike Greco who used to promote those legendary System Fridays that Marc Scaife played said it best "The Guvernment is like the Death Star..they just point this giant laser of cash & boom, your club/event is gone."

They've thrown multiple events each month in this town for a long, long time, and since they control the majority of the $$$ they control the majority of the talent AND client base for EDM.

If someone other than them was to throw a large event, the fact Guv has long driven up the cost of name DJ talent means it would be expensive to bring name talent, if any was available as they used to having booking rights/exclusivity to a lot of names which is why you didn't see them playing elsewhere.

They also suck up the majority of the available cash from the people that would go to a big party, plus they would counter-program your event with their own.

As much as guys like Jayx freak out about the bylaws, politicians aren't the only Guvernment keeping the scene down.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno It's this that pretty much renders the rest of what you're saying full of shee-it. A good number of the partiers I know have been at what they're doing for at least a decade, and most of them still love hitting the dancefloor and getting their groove on, while still managing to lead otherwise fulfilling and relatively successful lives. Since when does dancing and letting off some stream have some magical window of opportunity that closes once you reach a certain age?

What CC said in regards to partying and attendance. To further elaborate the 5 years has nothing to do with age, you can start at 30 or 20, the end result is the same. However, DJs are a an exception to this rule lol.

@ CC - apologies for the tone of my comments, I wasn't out to prove you wrong, just had a little too much coffee and felt like going on a rant.