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Cro_Addict
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DigiNut
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So why not just raise their pay to regular minimum wage? Or say even a little more. Raise their pay by 20% so that will make their wage $10.68. Bringing your costs from $10000 to $12000 plus the insurance/benefits...so say $13000. So just under 29% of your sales.

Think about what you're suggesting though. As I pointed out in my original reply to Joe, the 15% figure for tips has no significant relationship to the difference between pre-tip and post-tip income for servers. Tips are calculated on sales, not salaries.

If salaries for wait staff were increased by 20% but tips were eliminated, the majority of the staff (at least the competent staff) would walk, immediately. Nobody would do that work for minimum wage, it's too stressful, might as well take some equally low-paying but also low-responsibility job at a coffee shop or fast food joint.

At some point every business owner realizes that you have to offer at least the potential for competitive salary/benefits if you want to attract good people. Imagine telling a staff of salespeople that they'll no longer make commissions, but hey, it's all good, because their salaries are going up by 20%. Think most of them would stick around?


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Old Post Mar-07-2010 23:11  Canada
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The Highroller
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Flying over the cuckoo's nest

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And now the employees make just over minimum wage. Sounds like a fair wage, considering the main skills consist of writing down order and carrying things.


I tried to explain to you the concepts of equilibrium wage levels, set at the corresponding cost of effort in my previous post, but you obviously don't understand. I don't really have the time to give you a lesson in labour economics, but let's just say that the wage level for the average server is a lot more complicated than what you consider "fair" compensation.

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malek
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

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over 90% of the world hasn't heard of tips. when friends of mine visit, they pay face value and then i have to "correct" them so we don't get bad service after


Most probably your friends come from arab countries (i.e. UAE) where they are served by "slave" workers (i.e. coming from the indian sub-continent)... so obviously they're not gonna tip them.

I had a buddy coming from Dubai and I had to tell him that tip is 15% minimum, he was outraged... "but I just paid 15% tax..."


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iant56
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Registered: Nov 2007
Location: Toronto

Now can we argue about how much utility one receives from being a 'good' tipper?

lol -- In all seriousness $5000 for that booth is F-ed


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rabbitjoker
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Now can we argue about how much utility one receives from being a 'good' tipper?


[tip]MAX <= [utility]MAX


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