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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You cannot make it "impossible to copy" without complete top down control, like having someone remotely monitor what happens on your computer every time a music file is opened. And even then people could probably find a way to spoof the system. In any case as long as you allow direct audio recording -- either internal recording on the computer, or the "audio out / audio in" trick with cables -- there is no way to make all files stay in the "protected" format. There is just no way: as long as a protection-free file format exists, there will be a way to convert audio into that format, either through hacking the "protected" file itself or simply re-recording the audio.

That is not a legitimate clone of the actual file though. That is a "dub" as I referenced above.

The main goal of stopping piracy needs to be stopping industry from using it for personal gain. This will eliminate most of the loss of money because to continue their jobs as dj's they still need the content whether they purchase it or pirate it.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 And to Cron; are you really that selfish of a person that you feel nothing is wrong with stealing somebody's work that took from a week to a month to make? What is the point?

All I can say is do most people care? I don't think so. Most people work off the idea that "I can do what ever I want with what I paid for." and by that token, "If someone offered me something for free, its free." The very nature of virtual information makes the idea of quantity obsolete. And many peoples objections to theft is the fact that the one being robbed actually lost something. If I draw a picture, save it as .jpg, then copied it, and deleted the original. I haven't lost anything.

You will not change human nature.

Your sense of entitlement to not have your work copied and distributed, is based off an arbitrary law implemented in this system. Not human nature. Thus most humans will reject your entitlement out right.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 That is not a legitimate clone of the actual file though. That is a "dub" as I referenced above.

Do you think people who listen to pirate 128kbps MP3 files will really care about a very slight addition of noise that happens with re-recording? If they listen to crappy MP3s, they will listen to a "dub" WAV file, which sounds much better than YouTube or low bitrate MP3.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you think people who listen to pirate 128kbps MP3 files will really care about a very slight addition of noise that happens with re-recording? If they listen to crappy MP3s, they will listen to a "dub" WAV file, which sounds much better than YouTube or low bitrate MP3.

So I guess pirating noise music will actually give better results quality wise, than buying? same for chiptunes.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you think people who listen to pirate 128kbps MP3 files will really care about a very slight addition of noise that happens with re-recording? If they listen to crappy MP3s, they will listen to a "dub" WAV file, which sounds much better than YouTube or low bitrate MP3.

I clearly stated that any pirate reduction efforts need to be targeted towards dj's where a 128 kbps quality WOULD make a very big difference.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I clearly stated that any pirate reduction efforts need to be targeted towards dj's where a 128 kbps quality WOULD make a very big difference.

Most people who pirate music are not DJs. Why would the music industry target them specifically?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Most people who pirate music are not DJs. Why would the music industry target them specifically?

I'm speaking of edm not the music industry as a whole. When I say dj's I mean people who dj, as there is a big difference.

I wish people pirated my music.

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Originally posted by Kysora I wish people pirated my music.

On an individual basis for an unknown up and coming producer piracy is a good thing as it is free marketing. But when you reached the level of say a Mike Foyle would you still feel the same way?

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 On an individual basis for an unknown up and coming producer piracy is a good thing as it is free marketing. But when you reached the level of say a Mike Foyle would you still feel the same way?

Gabe Newell (Valve) seems to feel that way, and Valve spends $10 million on a typical game - even $10,000 would be a ridiculous amount for a label to spend on an entire album. They certainly don't need the extra publicity.

I'm not condoning what the rippers and torrent sites are doing, but look, I work in the software industry where up-front costs and time-to-market are a bajillion times higher than any studio's, and I sleep a lot easier knowing that every instance of piracy constitutes exactly $0 in lost sales.

Wanna know what's really destroying the music industry? Not piracy, but their single-minded obsession with stopping it, to the point of starving their core business (putting out great music) and alienating their existing and potential customers.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 On an individual basis for an unknown up and coming producer piracy is a good thing as it is free marketing. But when you reached the level of say a Mike Foyle would you still feel the same way?

I knew someone was going to say this.

I've never been into making music for money, and quite honestly I don't think any producers should. It's a bad mentality and trying to put out tracks to make a profit inevitably leads to manufactured, boring music.

I know this isn't what this argument is focused on but either way, I really don't think producers should be in the modern EDM scene looking to make a living. And if they think they can, they can't look at piracy as just an obstacle getting in their way from rags to riches. People who pirate music do it just because it's become so widespread nobody really puts any thought into it. They don't think "hey I'm going to go steal some music because I don't feel like paying for anything I can get for free", they think "hey this album looks neat, I'm going to check it out" and they do so through their most convenient method: piracy.

Instead of sending the message that those illegal downloaders are immoral scumbags robbing people of their hard-earned work, artists/labels should make an attempt to let those downloaders know they appreciate the effort they took to discover what they have to offer, and if they enjoyed what they heard, they should throw a donation at the artist or purchase the album. That's the only way you can "beat" piracy: by acknowledging it's not a bad thing and the people that are doing it are more than likely willing to throw some money at the artists they like out of support. Benn Jordan demonstrated that nicely enough.

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Originally posted by Kysora stuff

You want them to ask for money instead of demand it?

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