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Originally posted by Lira But to claim your choice is inherently superior than that of someone else's simply because it means something to you... that's an entirely different matter altogether.

I'm not claiming it's "superior" as such. There are no points being scored or anything. But you're not going to get what the World Cup is about in the same way, because it's way more than just "you watch the match and support the team. If the team you support wins, good" as you said earlier. If you don't want to do anymore than that, fair enough, but don't claim "There isn't much more to it".

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Actually, I don't think for a single minute that it is as deterministic as this quote makes it.

Deterministic or not, if you're denying that our cultural surroundings shape our thinking, especially about other cultural products, then I don't know what to say to you.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Are your sentiments widely held in England, System_J, or is your axiom/fan ethos more your own individual preference?

I don't know if they'd express it in so many words, but most people here would definitely associate their identity with the national team. It's possibly difficult to explain just how deeply football is ingrained in this country's culture.

One of the issues I'm surprised nobody has brought up is that of post-colonialism. It often surprises me how many people on this forum seem to hold a kind of dual national identity: American/Egyptian, American/Spanish, American/Russian, Australian/Croatian etc. That doesn't seem to happen so much in England, despite the fact we're just as much of a post-colonial nation as anywhere, and immigration is not exactly uncommon here. I found this extract, taken from from a recent article with Cameroonian footballer Benoit Assou-Ekotto, very interesting:

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Assou-Ekotto is beginning to look ahead to the World Cup finals with Cameroon. Although he was born in France and has a French mother, there has never been any issue over his allegiance. Like many young people in France born to an immigrant parent or parents, he feels that "the country does not want us to be part of this new France. So we identify ourselves more with our roots. "Me playing for Cameroon was a natural and normal thing. I have no feeling for the France national team; it just doesn't exist. When people ask of my generation in France, 'Where are you from?', they will reply Morocco, Algeria, Cameroon or wherever. But what has amazed me in England is that when I ask the same question of people like Lennon and Defoe, they'll say: 'I'm English.' That's one of the things that I love about life here."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ttenham-hotspur

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what about a russian one plz

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't know if they'd express it in so many words, but most people here would definitely associate their identity with the national team. It's possibly difficult to explain just how deeply football is ingrained in this country's culture. One of the issues I'm surprised nobody has brought up is that of post-colonialism. It often surprises me how many people on this forum seem to hold a kind of dual national identity: American/Egyptian, American/Spanish, American/Russian, Australian/Croatian etc. That doesn't seem to happen so much in England, despite the fact we're just as much of a post-colonial nation as anywhere, and immigration is not exactly uncommon here. I found this extract, taken from from a recent article with Cameroonian footballer Benoit Assou-Ekotto, very interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ttenham-hotspur

Depends on the person. While all four of my family (parents, brother and myself) are Aussies and Kiwis by citizenship and do associate with the people and in a way call it home, there is never any doubt that we're Croatian and that is the real home . Mind you, we were all born there and grew up there at least for a time. It's very different for someone born in the country their parents emigrated to. Had I for example been born here, I most likely would refer to myself as an Australian. Alas, that is not the case and despite where I've lived and what citizenships I hold, home will always be home.

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Originally posted by Lira

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not claiming it's "superior" as such. There are no points being scored or anything. But you're not going to get what the World Cup is about in the same way, because it's way more than just "you watch the match and support the team. If the team you support wins, good" as you said earlier. If you don't want to do anymore than that, fair enough, but don't claim "There isn't much more to it".

But, the things you mentioned aren't inherent to what it means to support a team. They're a reflection of why you chose to support your own team, and it says more about you than it says about rooting for some players that can't hear you.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Deterministic or not, if you're denying that our cultural surroundings shape our thinking, especially about other cultural products, then I don't know what to say to you.

It does, I can't deny our social nature, but we can escape it once we reflect upon it.

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Originally posted by Lira But, the things you mentioned aren't inherent to what it means to support a team.

Obviously not, or you wouldn't semantically be able to support any other team. However, it's a pretty inherent relationship between the team and you, the complete World Cup experience. Anything less and it's "just a game".

They're a reflection of why you chose to support your own team, and it says more about you than it says about rooting for some players that can't hear you.

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It does, I can't deny our social nature, but we can escape it once we reflect upon it.

I don't think you can escape it, you can only subvert it for a space of time.

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