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Originally posted by ziptnf I'm a much bigger fan of shags and tea at 7pm.

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Thanks to some medical problems and doctor's orders, I gave up meat about 2 years ago. It's aight

Anyone who doesn't eat animals for reasons having to do with animal cruelty is absurd. If you come into the universe as an animal then you're subject to the dramas and conditions of being an animal, which includes occasionally being eaten. WTF, no one saves us from the conditions of being human, which also includes occasionally being eaten. We just have to deal with it (as do all other animals). Moreover, if it were the other way around and chickens were 20 feet tall, believe me they wouldn't hesitate to eat us.

The only moral issue that seems valid is the fact that the amount of land and resources used to raise and breed animals like cows for consumption, would feed many many MANY millions more people on earth if the same land and resources were used instead to grow things like grains and other plants for consumption.

As for the kinds of stuff I eat regularly -

Breakfast: 50 - 75 grams of whey protein w/coconut milk / occasionally with wheat free, dairy free pancakes or waffles

Lunch: usually vegetable Pad Thai (Thai food has become standard within the past year)

Dinner: spinach salad w/cucumbers, zucchini, tomatoes, carrots w/ honey balsamic vinaigrette. or if i'm really hungry or worked out a lot during the day, I'll make quinoa and probably have more whey protein before bed.

Pros: no more stomach bleeding , the owners of my favorite Thai restaurant took me under their wing and taught me how to cook vegetarian dishes really well. Before I could only really cook water and maybe a bowl of cereal. I eat healthier in general now. I've developed a respect for food and eating that I didn't have before. I appreciate everything I eat much more now than before.

Cons: everything else!
maintaining good protein intake isn't as easy as before. if i skip out on the whey protein powder for more than 1 or 2 days, my energy plummets, my vitals plummet, muscles constantly burn, i could sleep for 8 hours and wake up feeling like i spent the whole night running a marathon. it would require much less chicken or beef to meet my protein needs than veggies and they're both less expensive than whey protein. being invited to bbq's, dinners and other gatherings is a drag when it comes to the food. i have a bunch of international friends who are always cooking delicious looking dishes from their home countries, and i'm usually stuck with rice, salad, or just drinking .

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Originally posted by Blake Before I could only really cook water and maybe a bowl of cereal.

But yeah, nice to not have your stomach bleeding

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Do you have Celiac's Disease, if I might ask?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Do you have Celiac's Disease, if I might ask?

Fughawzi does. I might

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Yeah, my Uncle has lived with it for years. He does shit like Race Across America and marathons through death valley though, so I guess it doesn't really hold him back. I've wondered if I should get tested for it as of late, skeptical as I am of something as lofty as a 'chronic gluten allergy'.

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Originally posted by Blake Anyone who doesn't eat animals for reasons having to do with animal cruelty is absurd. If you come into the universe as an animal then you're subject to the dramas and conditions of being an animal, which includes occasionally being eaten. WTF, no one saves us from the conditions of being human, which also includes occasionally being eaten. We just have to deal with it (as do all other animals). Moreover, if it were the other way around and chickens were 20 feet tall, believe me they wouldn't hesitate to eat us. The only moral issue that seems valid is the fact that the amount of land and resources used to raise and breed animals like cows for consumption, would feed many many MANY millions more people on earth if the same land and resources were used instead to grow things like grains and other plants for consumption. ------- Cons: everything else! maintaining good protein intake isn't as easy as before. if i skip out on the whey protein powder for more than 1 or 2 days, my energy plummets, my vitals plummet, muscles constantly burn, i could sleep for 8 hours and wake up feeling like i spent the whole night running a marathon. it would require much less chicken or beef to meet my protein needs than veggies and they're both less expensive than whey protein. being invited to bbq's, dinners and other gatherings is a drag when it comes to the food. i have a bunch of international friends who are always cooking delicious looking dishes from their home countries, and i'm usually stuck with rice, salad, or just drinking .

It isn't absurd, it's just a different viewpoint from yours. I find it ridiculous when people get into what is "natural" and what isn't. We are so removed from that. Eating meat isn't necessary to survival for a lot of people, so it doesn't really matter that we're animals or that chickens would eat us if they could.

Can you not have legumes or soy? You're one of the few people I've met who has an issue getting protein as a vegetarian. It also doesn't sound like you're eating much?

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Originally posted by Blake Cons: everything else! maintaining good protein intake isn't as easy as before. if i skip out on the whey protein powder for more than 1 or 2 days, my energy plummets, my vitals plummet, muscles constantly burn, i could sleep for 8 hours and wake up feeling like i spent the whole night running a marathon. it would require much less chicken or beef to meet my protein needs than veggies and they're both less expensive than whey protein. being invited to bbq's, dinners and other gatherings is a drag when it comes to the food. i have a bunch of international friends who are always cooking delicious looking dishes from their home countries, and i'm usually stuck with rice, salad, or just drinking .

There are plenty of ways to get protein on a plant-based diet. Almond milk, raw nuts, beans, peanut butter, soy products (tofu etc.)

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Originally posted by Blake Anyone who doesn't eat animals for reasons having to do with animal cruelty is absurd. If you come into the universe as an animal then you're subject to the dramas and conditions of being an animal, which includes occasionally being eaten. WTF, no one saves us from the conditions of being human, which also includes occasionally being eaten. We just have to deal with it (as do all other animals). Moreover, if it were the other way around and chickens were 20 feet tall, believe me they wouldn't hesitate to eat us. blah blah blah maintaining good protein intake isn't as easy as before. if i skip out on the whey protein powder for more than 1 or 2 days, my energy plummets, my vitals plummet, muscles constantly burn, i could sleep for 8 hours and wake up feeling like i spent the whole night running a marathon.

Is it natural for us to fly at 35,000 feet? We're not simple animals, we're smart and evolved.

What the fuck are you eating for protein? There are so many things you can eat for protein

Oh, and Thai food is amazing.

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Originally posted by Lews Is it natural for us to fly at 35,000 feet?

Well, it's not supernatural, so what else would it be?

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Originally posted by ziptnf There are plenty of ways to get protein on a plant-based diet. Almond milk, raw nuts, beans, peanut butter, soy products (tofu etc.)

Yeah, I'm vegan and have celiac disease plus a ton of other allergies that make it so I can't have wheat, soy, rice, or almonds and I still get protein (although it can be a bit difficult). I just eat a lot of legumes, quinoa, and a small amount of nuts. If you're not as restricted, you should be fine.

Didn't read past the second page but here is my two cents.

I love meat. I will never be a vegetarian.

Morally, I don't see what's wrong with killing a cow or a chicken for food. I just don't.. I really don't know why so many people get up in arms about it and claim that meat was never an important part in our evolution.. Have they not ever run their tongue over their teeth? You don't even need to look at fossilized remains, the proof is right there in your own mouth. Incisors and canines are flesh tearing teeth, meaning humans are meant to eat meat.. The molars are grain grinding teeth, meaning we are also meant to eat vegetables. I think it's pretty clear, if you're going to get into the evolutionary theory of it all, humans were meant to be omnivorous.

What I find to be wrong, however, is the amount (and type) of meat people consume.. Westerners, on average, eat something like 8 times the amount of protein as is needed. And most of them eat meat that is so chemically contaminated that, were it a vegetable, it would be illegal to sell it... There is nothing, health-wise wrong with eating meats, but as with everything, moderation is key, and being an informed consumer is key as well.

And as far as vegetarianism, there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian either, except that I have known all kinds of vegetarians, and a very small percentage of them were actually healthy... Being a vegetarian means that you have to be a conscientious consumer, meaning that you have to be extremely careful with what you eat.. Humans need protein, and unless you take supplements or balance your diet carefully, you run the risk of making yourself very sick.. The number of "bread and cheese"-atarians I know is ridiculous.. Just because you eliminate meat does not make you automatically healthy, nor does it make it ok to live off of cheese pizza and grilled cheese sandwiches and french fries.

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