quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not saying you claimed so. I'm asking you a question. Answer, please.

Ok. Technical virtuosity would imply a mastery of his medium. Based on his music I'd say yes, but this is a difficult question to answer since I don't know how he works in a studio.

___________________
201

doesn't virtuosity already imply technical?

___________________

Klangkarussell - Sternenkinder

quote:

Originally posted by MSZ long live tranceaddict, haven of trolls and bullshit.

+1

quote:

Originally posted by wotyzoid Ok. Technical virtuosity would imply a mastery of his medium. Based on his music I'd say yes, but this is a difficult question to answer since I don't know how he works in a studio.

It is a difficult question. It's almost as if sequenced electronic music by its very nature makes it hard to distinguish the process, isn't it?

___________________
Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It is a difficult question. It's almost as if sequenced electronic music by its very nature makes it hard to distinguish the process, isn't it?

May be so, that is a very fair assumption. But what is your point? Should producers never try to break out of the mold their medium sets up for them, even if it means hindering their expressiveness?

___________________
201

quote:

Originally posted by wotyzoid May be so, that is a very fair assumption. But what is your point? Should producers never try to break out of the mold their medium sets up for them, even if it means hindering their expressiveness?

Determining skill (and thus virtuosity) requires being able to discern process. The de-emphasis is, to a certain degree, an inevitability of the form.

Also, what you don't seem to have realised in your blind fanboy rebuttal frenzy is that I wasn't referring to Theo Parrish at all when I was discussing technical virtuosity. I thought it was curious you highlighted that topic and so I wanted to figure out exactly what the fuck you think it has to do with him.

There's also the strange fact that you and several other Parrish fans repeatedly stated that Parrish as a DJ is not about technically super-smooth mixing but all about playing good music and creating good flow. If that isn't de-emphasis of technical virtuosity, I'm not sure what is.

So to recap, two points:

1. The things I'm saying are not so much people's attitudes towards the form, but corollaries of the form itself.
2. Actually read and think about my points instead of just rushing in to disagree because I replied to a post with the words "Theo Parrish" in and used some negative adjectives.

___________________
Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Determining skill (and thus virtuosity) requires being able to discern process. The de-emphasis is, to a certain degree, an inevitability of the form.

Ok, that's a fair perspective. I don't happen to think it is that simple.

quote:

Also, what you don't seem to have realised in your blind fanboy rebuttal frenzy is that I wasn't referring to Theo Parrish at all when I was discussing technical virtuosity. I thought it was curious you highlighted that topic and so I wanted to figure out exactly what the fuck you think it has to do with him.

You specifically quoted this:

quote:

Originally posted by Guest Yea his productions just sound sloppy in some cases. I think people graviate towards him in an era where everything is very tight. He's loosey goosey with the controls.

and responded with this:

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J People have this fucking stupid idea that deliberately including minor imperfections in electronic music somehow gives it more "soul". It's the same idiot logic that declares using DAWs makes production too easy or that laptop DJing sucks because there's no performance in someone staring at a screen. Get some perspective, you twats.

And you wanna tell me that you weren't insinuating Theo Parrish "deliberately includes minor imperfections" in his music? IT WAS A TRICK! I know you're smarter than that, Jack. That was really fucking dumb what you just tried to do there. Carrying on...

quote:

There's also the strange fact that you and several other Parrish fans repeatedly stated that Parrish as a DJ is not about technically super-smooth mixing but all about playing good music and creating good flow. If that isn't de-emphasis of technical virtuosity, I'm not sure what is.

For the second time, I was never defending Theo as a DJ in this thread. I was defending the music he produces. If you wanna continue discussing his DJing we can always hop back over to the sucky DJs thread.

quote:

So to recap, two points: 1. The things I'm saying are not so much people's attitudes towards the form, but corollaries of the form itself. 2. Actually read and think about my points instead of just rushing in to disagree because I replied to a post with the words "Theo Parrish" in and used some negative adjectives.

1. Sure, that may be the case. I've never denied that through my argument. My point is fuck these corollaries. I think people like you give them way too much importance.
2. Your assumptions are bold, but nothing more.

___________________
201

Last edited by wotyzoid on Oct-16-2011 at 18:08

quote:

Originally posted by wotyzoid And you wanna tell me that you weren't insinuating Theo Parrish "deliberately includes minor imperfections" in his music? IT WAS A TRICK! I know you're smarter than that, Jack. That was really fucking dumb what you just tried to do there. Carrying on...

Yeah, sure. Just a shame we're talking about technical virtuosity and not minor imperfections here, and that I mentioned technical virtuosity in a separate post replying to a different poster.

You seem to be just replying in a frantic, sloppy, almost randomised way, picking out unrelated sentences of my posts where you think you can pick holes.

___________________
Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

glad to see this thread is now somehow about theo parrish, pretty funny actually

i really like the idea of these kinds of threads but i really don't like when you have that one person (or in this case and thread, more than one, infact everyone) who can't handle that some people happen to have a different taste in music.

i know i am a total hypocrite in this case but i really don't care in this one.

unpopular opinions then...

i like theo parrish and his music but fuck his fans. same goes for fans of kdj, pink floyd, led zeppelin, underground resistance, the beatles, elvis presley, richie hawtin, ricardo villalobos and countless others. fuck you people, in most cases you suck all the fun out of music.

___________________
facebook | blog | scrobbler | setarchive | 20160316
"I believe that's referred to as intelligent drum & bass, which obviously means there's a genre of stupid drum & bass out there" (John Peel)

I personally think that Theo Parrish is great. I don't even think he's sloppy. I don't see where you guys are coming from. He doesn't sound "big" like most tracks are these days. He isn't making glaring mistakes in his mix downs at all, it just doesn't sound HUGE which doesn't mean it's bad.

I feel like a minority here, but I will say that trance is actually great music. I personally like to stick with 90s-2005 though.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, sure. Just a shame we're talking about technical virtuosity and not minor imperfections here, and that I mentioned technical virtuosity in a separate post replying to a different poster.

We are only talking about it now because you asked me if I though he had any. That's not at all what I was referring to when I first quoted you.

quote:

You seem to be just replying in a frantic, sloppy, almost randomised way, picking out unrelated sentences of my posts where you think you can pick holes.

Not all, if anything I'd say you're making this really difficult since you won't add any input to anything I post. It just seems like you're trying really hard to make this a one-sided debate.

Let's pick it up here though, because I though this was the most interesting thing you've posted yet:

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Determining skill (and thus virtuosity) requires being able to discern process. The de-emphasis is, to a certain degree, an inevitability of the form.

Do you really believe that it is that black and white? Skill can't be determined though other means? Especially in things like dance music where process (in specifics anyway) is almost always indiscernible? Maybe I'm not fully understanding the idea.

___________________
201