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Originally posted by idoru Seriously. For someone who talks about acceptance and decries bigotry, it's a bit odd to flat out state that "people fall into three camps", none of which include those of us who are genuinely accepting and supportive. I know that I can't say that I've been super supportive, because I've been fairly inactive around here lately, but unless I'm missing something it kind of sucks to be told that the person I support believes that I'm not.

Listen, I was a little ticked off when I wrote that.

But in any case, you said yourself that you have been fairly inactive, so what's the problem? What do you want credit for? In fact, I think this critical post is the only time in recent memory that you've made an attempt to speak to me.

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Originally posted by mr.bison Plus religious faith breeds ignorance.

you were spot on until this last comment..which is in itself ignorant.

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Originally posted by nefardec Listen, I was a little ticked off when I wrote that.

Totally understandable.

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But in any case, you said yourself that you have been fairly inactive, so what's the problem? What do you want credit for? In fact, I think this critical post is the only time in recent memory that you've made an attempt to speak to me.

The problem I have is that there are certainly people on here who are genuinely supportive and accepting, and I just feel like it's poor form to completely write off the possibility of their existence. That's all. If your post was made when you were ticked, then no worries.

I'm not trying to take "credit" for anything, and nowhere in my post do I act, at least intentionally, as though I feel I should receive some sort of praise or thanks.

And you're right; that critical post was the first time that I've spoken directly to you in quite some time. I can't help that I haven't been around here all that much, that I don't usually respond to your posts if I am, or that I don't write on your wall on Facebook. Just because I haven't been in the position to communicate my thoughts doesn't mean that I can't have them, that I can't be accepting or supportive.

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Originally posted by idoru Just because I haven't been in the position to communicate my thoughts doesn't mean that I can't have them, that I can't be accepting or supportive.

And that's why you'd fit into the 'quiet' camp.

I'm not trying to be a bitch by saying this, but that's the way I experience it - doesn't mean you're not supportive in your own heart. I imagine a fair number of people here are supportive but quiet. There is simply not a measurable 'vocally supportive' group really on the forum, and that's just the way it is. And I don't expect that any more than that.

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Originally posted by nefardec And that's why you'd fit into the 'quiet' camp.

"Quiet" only because I haven't been around enough. But, that's just quibbling over semantics at this point.

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I'm not trying to be a bitch by saying this, but that's the way I experience it - doesn't mean you're not supportive in your own heart. I imagine a fair number of people here are supportive but quiet. There is simply not a visibly 'vocally supportive' group really on the forum, and that's just the way it is.

For what it's worth, I respect and admire your decision to go down the path you've chosen. It's hard, you're going to have to put up with a lot of bullshit for the rest of your life, but it's going to make you a happier and more content individual.

I would like to say this: look at who the demographic of atheists out there (hint: the demographic seems to look like the folks you'd see in a star wars convention). I would say that is why they are atheist, and a lot of this anti-theist sentiment unintentionally points out to us "plebs" that we are plebs and don't belong to your frat.

I would go as far as to say that a lot of atheists are blind to their privilege, and aren't really an oppressed minority in some ways.

I mean look at all the proto-hipsters who didn't like religion:

Pol Pot: had some money
Che Guevara: rich guy
Jean Paul Sartre: rich guy
etc. etc.

so a bunch of guys with some money or had a lot of it or had the privilege to have an education at a brand name institution (money is a factor in going to one of these) are trying to show us "plebs" that we are wrong. It sounds like atheism is just another symbol of power, and that's why i feel a lot of americans dont like them.

im not excusing theist intolerance at all, it's just that they have one leg in oppression and one leg in power.

Religion should be oppressed, it is detrimental to human progress.

Progress should be regulated as it is detrimental to religion!

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Originally posted by -FSP- I would like to say this: look at who the demographic of atheists out there (hint: the demographic seems to look like the folks you'd see in a star wars convention). I would say that is why they are atheist, and a lot of this anti-theist sentiment unintentionally points out to us "plebs" that we are plebs and don't belong to your frat.

So, they are atheist because they are dorky white guys? How is that causality supposed to work?

Or are you saying that atheism is really just a "fashion statement" designed to place them above the credulous masses?

No. What I'm saying is you need food in your stomach and a few $ to even say religion is BS. Of course there are exceptions to this and im not denying that. As for being a "fashion statement" I don't know if a "fashion statement" can be applied here, but I was not trying to imply it is one. It just becomes a symbol of people who have money and some circles of the intellectual class.

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Originally posted by -FSP- No. What I'm saying is you need food in your stomach and a few $ to even say religion is BS. Of course there are exceptions to this and im not denying that.

That is also illogical.

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Originally posted by -FSP- No. What I'm saying is you need food in your stomach and a few $ to even say religion is BS.

"Food in the stomach and a few dollars" is a darn low bar to clear in modern secular nations, and one that the majority of people there do clear. You seemed to be saying something quite a bit bolder, like "atheism is just for rich white dudes" or some such.