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Originally posted by Sleightful A friend of mine is a psych major so I sat in on a few of his classes. I was quite disturbed to hear that the professor's first step for any mental illness was to prescribe drugs. If that's what they're teaching in universities it goes to show how terrible the mental healthcare field is. In the US, without the benefit of free healthcare, I can't imagine how patients with mental disorders would be able to pay for all of the drugs, let alone actual personal help from a psychiatrist afterwards. From what I heard the shooter today was suspected of having a mental disorder so this could have been averted. Apparently only hindsight is 20/20.

I know this subject because I am very mentally ill (for 18 years now). I've had thoughts of murder before when I was in the prime of my sickness but I never had the heart to go through the length of what it takes to pull a mass murder. I was different.

The patients pay for it by being on SSI Disability. You get a government check if your diagnosis is considered a disability (thus you can't work) and right now I can't. Anyway, with that check comes an HMO with Medicare and that is how you pay for your meds. Around $2.60 for low iter drugs and $6.50 for high tier drugs. It depends on what HMO you have though. For example my last HMO wouldn't cover a certain drug that I had to pay out of pocket and that was around $60.00 but my new HMO gives me the same drug at $2.60.

They will always prescribe drugs first, to much money involved in it.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. I won't troll in this thread from now on.

I doubt you will troll here or anywhere else for the next two weeks.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker If I were a mod, right now, I'd fucking well ban you. I'm not even joking. You'd be out of here. If you said that shit to my face, just after my mother was murdered, you'd be in the hospital having your jaw reassembled. Seriously, go fuck yourself and stuff your self-righteous indifference up your ass, while you're at it.

Sorted. It was the least we could do.

You've only made a martyr of him. Now all of his fans and followe- ehehhaha dhahahahhaahahaha

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby They don't.

If your on SSI you get Medicaid and you Rx are free. If your on SSI Disability then you get Medicare and a HMO and you pay.

Medicaid gets a government check on the 1st of every month

Medicare gets a government check on the 3rd of every month

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Originally posted by Desiderata I know this subject because I am very mentally ill (for 18 years now). I've had thoughts of murder before when I was in the prime of my sickness but I never had the heart to go through the length of what it takes to pull a mass murder. I was different. The patients pay for it by being on SSI Disability. You get a government check if your diagnosis is considered a disability (thus you can't work) and right now I can't. Anyway, with that check comes an HMO with Medicare and that is how you pay for your meds. Around $2.60 for low iter drugs and $6.50 for high tier drugs. It depends on what HMO you have though. For example my last HMO wouldn't cover a certain drug that I had to pay out of pocket and that was around $60.00 but my new HMO gives me the same drug at $2.60. They will always prescribe drugs first, to much money involved in it.

Aside from everyone clamouring for new gun laws and restrictions, the government ought to put up more funding for mental healthcare. Can't imagine how difficult it'd be to purchase drugs with your own money when you're incapable of working. Providing accessible care for those with mental illnesses would at the very least curb these kinds of occurrences.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You've only made a martyr of him. Now all of his fans and followe- ehehhaha dhahahahhaahahaha

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Originally posted by Sleightful Aside from everyone clamouring for new gun laws and restrictions, the government ought to put up more funding for mental healthcare. Can't imagine how difficult it'd be to purchase drugs with your own money when you're incapable of working. Providing accessible care for those with mental illnesses would at the very least curb these kinds of occurrences.

I been in the system with Mental Health for quite a few years. My disability check isn't much.

The problem is the workers in this field can only be passionate for so long before they become desensitized to their job. That's a main problem with getting adequate help all the time.

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Originally posted by Sleightful Aside from everyone clamouring for new gun laws and restrictions, the government ought to put up more funding for mental healthcare. Can't imagine how difficult it'd be to purchase drugs with your own money when you're incapable of working. Providing accessible care for those with mental illnesses would at the very least curb these kinds of occurrences.

I agree it's a worthwhile pursuit. But like I said earlier, how do you convince the sick to help themselves? In the case of this shooter, he was from a very affluent neighbourhood, and probably a family that had it well in their means to seek extensive treatment for him. I don't know this for sure, but everything about where he lived is suggesting as such. What do you do, then?

There is obviously a lot of emotional reaction to this - as there ought to be - but the fact is that there are tens of thousands of individual homicides in the US each year, and victims of mass shootings make up such a tiny percentage of those. The numbers have not changed for many years, only the ubiquitous and instant - constant - media coverage really has. Broad healthcare reforms are definitely in order, but the accessibility of firearms must be contained, foremost. You needn't repeal the 2nd amendment; the right to bear arms should remain intact, but the manufacturing and distribution of ammunition ought not be a mitigating factor in obtaining the weaponry to commit such atrocious massacres.

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Originally posted by trancedanne If you weren't so overpopulated you could actually do something about it, same with the economy.

What?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You've only made a martyr of him. Now all of his fans and followe- ehehhaha dhahahahhaahahaha

lol

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What?

The US is obviously overpopulated. Look at the highest mountain around you - I'm sure there are at least 57 Chinese families living in there.

Of course we're overpopulated. Our population density rivals that of Hong Kong.