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zGoogleman
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Yes, it has been going on for decades. And yes, we are all in this together against the government.

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Spacey Orange
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recall my friends, that this government imprisons indefinitely without any formal judicial proceedings.

sorry, but i don't trust my government as much as many of you do.


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im sure they're really torn up about that too.


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Spacey Orange
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Shut the fuck up already. This discussion doesn't pertain to your kind.


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You seem angry.


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Lagrangian
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Not a big deal? I bet the faculty at Stanford University must be a bunch of 'tin-foil' conspiracy theorists too.


quote:


"Why would you use AES/RSA/etc. when the NSA employs more
mathematicians than anyone else and may well have cracked them?"


The answer: if the popular cryptographic constructs have been cracked,
the knowledge that they were cracked—even without the "how"—would be
insanely valuable. So much so that unless you presented an existential
threat to the cracking party, they would be very hesitant to use that
ability against you if even a tiny risk existed that doing so could
reveal their capability and thereby make it less valuable.

In the case of mass surveillance programs not only is there a risk
that people would change behavior—switching to SSL with PFS for
all communications, making more use of high-delay mixing networks,
decentralized services, non-cloud open source software, etc.—but since
these programs are obviously illegal to many outside of the incestuous
world of intelligence, by revealing the capability they risk it being
simply taken away by the rule of law. (Even those who have convinced
themselves that these programs are lawful and righteous must recognize
that they are on thin ice and public opinion may go another way).


And so—before the capability was made public, it _likely_ wouldn't
have been used against mere political nuisances, at least not without
the additional cost of creating a solid pretext for the resulting
intelligence. But now this deterrent is gone: the burden of utter secrecy
is reduced. And if these programs are not eliminated, greatly curtailed,
or made moot, we can expect them to be employed much more freely.


https://mailman.stanford.edu/piperm...une/008838.html


From what I've read, this administration used the Patriot Act to further their role of 'vigilantes' and 'enforcers'. You know, Democrats love that shit. All you need to do is look at Chicago, who runs the city? Emanuel, a democrat! Guns are pretty much banned and there are hundreds of cameras around the city, for what? anyone care to tell me how Chicago is doing these days?



No, seriously, it's no laughing matter.

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Lews
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There is absolutely nothing scary going on here, and this guy is probably full of shit.

Please point out specifically what has happened here that is scary, and I'll respond; otherwise, this is just inane and stupid.


One thing, though, is that I really hope this whole affair makes the government reconsider their relationship with contractors.


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Greenwald on NSA and Edward Snowdenn:


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OrangestO
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I really haven't read about or followed the news of what Edward Snowden did until this morning.

Talk about testicular fortitude... this man is a hero in every sense of the word.

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enydo
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A TRUE REAL AMERICAN HERO. HE'S GONNA GET SO MUCH PUSSY FOR BEING SUCH A HERO.

I WANNA BUY THAT HERO A BEER.

I WANNA HAVE A BEER WITH A HERO.

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OrangestO
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No, not an American hero.

A humanitarian hero.

I just hope his actions and sacrifices will mean something after all is said and done.

It's up to the general public to make that happen now.

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