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Originally posted by http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0820-04.htm 1. A War Against Iraq Would Be Illegal 2. Regional Allies Widely Oppose a U.S. Attack 3. There Is No Evidence of Iraqi Links to Al Qaeda or Other Anti-American Terrorists 4. There Is No Proof that Iraq Is Developing Weapons of Mass Destruction 5. Iraq Is No Longer a Significant Military Threat to Its Neighbors 6. There Are Still Nonmilitary Options Available 7. Defeating Iraq Would Be Militarily Difficult Conclusion

btw i didnt have time to read all of this thoroughly but i managed to skim parts

1. probably true in terms of the UN, but honestly i give the UN very little weight in taking military desicions. Illegal yes, but in this case i belive not acting because it is illegal is worse then attacking and breaking 'the law'.
2. of course, so is most of the world, BUT most of the regional allies have agreed to let US use military bases in their countries. and honestly i belive a few arab countries would privately be very happy if saddam was ousted
3. I belive that line is complete BS
4. How in the hell does anyone know that? no one has been in there to monitor what they have been doing since 1998. furthoremore the US and Russian intellegence agencies have said that iraqi official have sought out and aquired military grade uranium from africa.
5. also BS it takes one direct hit from a scud in the center of tel-aviv to cause SERIOUS damage (and he has tried in the gulf war, whats to stop him from doing it agian?)
6. they have been tried and have failed, but the difference lies in the fact that i belive there needs to be a regime change, not just desctruction of WOMD. and for that there is no way saddam will ever step down without a military showdown.
7. LoL, thats ridiculous as well. there air defense is almost down (as from the recent air raids that have begun this summer). i dont belive the iraqi military is any challenge for the american forces.

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

If ya'll are accusing Iraq on terrorsim based on the accusation that Al-Qaeda has been training in Iraq, and that bin Laden and Hussein cooperate with each other, you must have forgotten that bin Laden deems Hussein a 'bad muslim'.

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Resistance against tyranny is man's highest ideal.
Fuck the World.
Man is the missing link between apes and human beings.

http://www.unicef.org/media/newsnotes/02nn34opt.htm


look who's suffering now , little palestinian kids ...

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Actually I do not understand why the Americans are so agressive...
FBI is not able even to find Osama's location...
Sure, it's 100% easier to bomb Saddam now because he's here and not going to hide from Bush.
Terrorist N1 is now not the object of the current USAs interests?

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Originally posted by fastmp3 http://www.unicef.org/media/newsnotes/02nn34opt.htm look who's suffering now , little palestinian kids ...

the same ones that would be reading this in their school books? what kind of f***ed up propoganda are they being brainwashed with?
the official textbooks for Palestinian school children (published by the Palestinian Ministry of Education) are innundated with anti-semetic messages and praise of martyrdom and Jihad (read: suicide bombings).

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quote: "Islam has forbidden flight from the battle and regards this as a grave sin. (Islamic Education for Eighth Grade #576 p. 176)

Eighth graders are told that peace is morally wrong.

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quote: "Determine what is the subject, and what is the predicate, in the following sentences: -The Jihad is a religious duty of every Muslim man and woman." (Our Arabic Language for Fifth Grade #542, p. 167)

Fifth graders are taught that they have a duty to fight religious wars in their grammar lessons.

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quote: "...Martyred Jihad fighters are the most honored people, after the Prophets..." (Reader And Literary Texts for Tenth Grade #607, p. 103)

Tenth graders are assured blessing and honor as martyrs.

read up on how badly the children of palestain are being abused, indoctrinated and exploited by their own PA:
http://www.operationsick.com/report..._mediawatch.htm

and you cry about them not going to school, you're right that is wrong too but compare that to what they are subjected to by thier own people and here-in lies the trajedy

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

Izzy... this is not education, its the muslim religion. They're not supposed to teach their kid their religion anymore?

I don't think you would like to have the stuff written in the Torah about the goyim published in here...

lets just say its not any better.

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I recentely read something rather interesting in a news periodical. Basically the article was about the 1930's and the general perspective of world opinion at the time. At that time there were a lot of media reports of the buildup of a "ghost" army, navy, and weapons program in Nazi Germany during the 30's. However, the majority of the world dismissed these facts as unfounded rumors since there was no concrete evidence at the time. Germany had hid much of its military buildup for the duration of the 30's. The battleship Bismarck, the largest battleship in the world, was built at the HEIGHT of treaty restrictions on the German naval fleet. Then a policy of appeasement was adopted by Britain and the allies in order to avoid war at ALL possible costs even though it encouraged Hitler. So I ask you ... IS history repeating itself? Are we all merely appeasing Iraq in an effort to avoid war?

UN weapons inspectors currentely have access to everything EXCEPT 8 different palace complexes. These are one of the key components US diplomats are fighting to have access over. How hard is it to hide a nuclear/biological/chemical wepaons complex in 8 different sites? It's clear Iraq had a WMD program in the past ... if Iraq has nothing to hide why are they not allowing unrestricted UN access to these sites? We KNOW Sadam is not peaceful and civilized in any respects ... he wants to exterminate his own people (the Kurds) for God's sake. He used CHEMICAL GAS on them. Civilians for crying out loud! If he had nuclear or biological weapons what makes you think he woudn't use them on us? I would hate for a tragedy to occurr and for me to come back and tell all of you I told you so ...

Last edited by occrider on Oct-03-2002 at 06:33

well, i think it's wrong that they are teaching them that stuff in school. on BOTH sides, don't tell me that the israelis aren't taught to hate the palestinians.

I am glad to live, in canada, so proud i am sometimes ashamed how lucky i am. They had to take the lords prayer out of schools because it was religious..

there was even a debate over the words in "Oh Canada", some people wanted to take out "God keep our land, glorious and free"

I say, that's going a little far, i am agnostic myself, and used to be an atheist, but i don't mind singing those words.

So, it's horrible that children are taught to hate, on both sides.

By the way, even if it is not in the textbooks, another huge part is played by the media.

take a listen to these:

http://www.fair.org/counterspin/mp3.html

peace.

You cant compare Saddam to AH, or Iraq to Germany, there are worlds between them!

As for the war against terror:

I say finish what you have begun! Find OBL and bring him to justice, or find a proof that he is dead. Osama was clearly enemmy #1 a year ago, now all of sudden that title has wandered to Saddam! Is Afghanistan safe? No, by all means!

I think that the war on Iraq show us the inability of the bush administration! Bush failed to capture OBL (or have I missed something??), now he is going against a madman he has a good chance to get somehow, because, hey Saddam represent a country so there is not much other place he can be. Bush wants to end what his daddy has begun and foremost he wants a success, the Iraq regime is much more beatable as say the al-Qaida network who in my opinion still exist, yes its not so strong as before, but its still exist!

Bush cant fail on more time, a win over Iraq could safe hime the votes and his job, another war against some multilateral network who coulkd hardly be won would arise critic around the nation. And as far as I can see, foreign policy is the only thing this administration has achieves so far, beside economy scandals involving cabinet members.

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"Darkness cannot drive out darkness - only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate - only love can do that... The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

People who live in the more economized counties like UK, US, AUS etc need to sit down and realise that the facilities or economy that has been built around us which give us easier access to necessary stuff that we take for granted shouldn't be overlooked...just put your self in the shoes of those who are surrounded by war like Iraq, Afgah, Pakistan etc and just think to your self...Is this war really necessary.


Hope you understood what i meant.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 Satan and Saddam are having gay sex in hell , let's bomb Saddam weeeeeeee

south park the movie !! great stuff