This quote, reported as fact, can only be found on anti-Isreal/pro-Palestinian websites:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Gene...0&sa=N&filter=0
"I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."

- Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956

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Date sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:11:58 +0200
From: International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism - infoATict.org.il
Organization: International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism
Subject: Re: Ariel Sharon In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956

Hello,


The comment that you quoted is indeed an invention, and a rather lame one. To begin with, any public expression of such sentiments would be grounds for dismissing a soldier from the army. Hatred is considered to render the soldier incapable of clear judgement and unreliable in carrying out the will of the state. Indeed many young hotheads have been dismissed from active combat duty because of their expression of racist sentiments--sentiments that could have serious consequences in an army in which Jews serve alongside Druze and Bedouin Arab soldiers.

One clue to the fact that the comment is a pure fabrication is the use of the word "Palestinian." In 1956, the term had still not taken hold in reference to Palestinian Arabs, but was at times used to refer to Jews born in Mandatory Palestine prior to the establishment of Israel. The Arabs in Palestine often referred to themselves as residents of "Greater Syria," or of the new state of Jordan. Many were also eligible for citizenship in the new state of Iraq, by virtue of their parents having come from the region prior to the establishment of Iraq. However, a large number had been caught in the process of migrating to look for work at the very time when the modern states were being set up by the great powers, and thus found themselves stateless on arrival in Mandatory Palestine.

At any rate, the term "Palestinian Arab" was made popular only in the early 1960's by what eventually became Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, the Palestine Liberation Movement, which was founded in 1964. It did not catch on right away, and certainly had not gained enough provenance to have been used by Ariel Sharon in 1956. There is simply no way that an Israeli--and certainly not one expressing the sentiments ascribed to Sharon in this comment--would at that time have used the term "Palestinian" to refer to the Arabs. Even when the term began to be used by the PLO in the 1960's, it was scoffed at, on the grounds that there had never been any state in the region called Palestine (see Golda Meir's comment, "There is no such thing as the 'Palestinian people'," referring to the PLO's use of the term.).

I hope this will help to clarify things.

Sincerely,

Yael Shahar
International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism

As for the second post. Many websites that reference the article (which seem to be wholeheartedly anti-semitic, or pro-palestinian sites) credit it to the Palestinian Chronicle. Though I doubt they were the first to feature and credit it to the General. (http://palestinechronicle.com/artic...002040618433546). The article with in seems very uncredible and extremly biased regardless of your position on the issues.

Furthermore I am trying to uncover if there was every actually a General Ouze Merham serving for Israel around 1956, so far my searches have been inconclusive - they've found nothing, which leads me to believe he might not have even existed.

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OK after searching for quiet a bit more I found this;
http://www.geocities.com/myjoy18/arielsharon1956lie.htm

The above link makes a good case as to the crediability of the source, bascially the reference of the word "Palestinians", I'm still wondering wether that General was a real guy though.

dammit Occider stop stealing my sources!

Beating me to the punch huh? well... well, that just sucks.

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Originally posted by Yoepus dammit Occider stop stealing my sources! Beating me to the punch huh? well... well, that just sucks.

Gotta have quicker fingers Well you beat me to that letter ... I was one link away from finding it when you posted it hehe.

Some more Arab propaganda for ya!
Once a liar, always a liar!

The governments and organizations of many Arab/Muslim countries cannot be trusted what so ever. These groups/regimes have publicly vowed the destruction of Israel. This in no way mean's they will limit their aggression to physical violence; all options are open to them including false accusations, lies, propaganda and incitement, all in a PR stunt to sway the international community to condemn Israel.

Only the gullible and ignorant citizen's of this world would believe such claims only reported on anti-israel/pro-arab websites.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Some more Arab propaganda for ya! Once a liar, always a liar! The governments and organizations of many Arab/Muslim countries cannot be trusted what so ever. These groups/regimes have publicly vowed the destruction of Israel. This in no way mean's they will limit their aggression to physical violence; all options are open to them including false accusations, lies, propaganda and incitement, all in a PR stunt to sway the international community to condemn Israel. Only the gullible and ignorant citizen's of this world would believe such claims only reported on anti-israel/pro-arab websites.

haha, all your writing is a joke, its funny to read. keep it up, haha

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"Occupied Territories." The world has come to accept that all the territory outside of the 1948 Armistice line is "occupied." This is most destructive and factually incorrect. If that land was occupied, its occupiers were in succession Turks, British, Egyptians, and Jordanians. Yet, the world media and pundits never referred to the territory as occupied then. On the other hand, those lands had been considered as much a part of historic Palestine as Tel Aviv and Nazareth. In 1921, the British created Jordan from the lion's share of historic Palestine, barring Jewish settlement there. All the land west of the Jordan remained an undivided area for a Jewish homeland. Parts of that land were only separated from that historic connection by virtue of the Jordanian and Egyptian military occupation of the areas between 1948 and 1967. The Six-Day War re-established the centuries-old unity. The appropriate - and more accurate - terms are "disputed territories," "lands freed from Arab occupation," or "Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza District." And while we're at it, why is the land only called "occupied" when the alleged occupiers are Jews?

-The language of deceit
By Richard L. Benkin March 26, 2003

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as liquidxxd's post was in fact a fake, got some stuff here,a webpage
sent by my former general studies teacher (an Israeli)

"We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora."

—Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Palestinian refugees in March 1949.


"I have a list of Arab villages of which I specify that they must be cleaned to inhabit Jews in their places. It is necessary to transfer the Arabs from their country and to ban them from returning to it…It must be clear that there is no room for two people in this country. The only solution is Palestine without the Arabs."

—Joseph Weitz, organizer of the Palestinian deportation plans since 1948.

"There were 400 people in this village, about 50 ran away, three are still living, all the rest were deliberately massacred, voluntarily, because, I have notes, this troop is admirably disciplined and it only acts upon orders."

—A Red Cross delegate on the Massacre of Palestinian civilians from Deir Yassin village committed by Israeli troops. April, 9, 1948


some of the next statements could probably be easily proved or disproved by anyone who lives in israel

Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories. For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians.


Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites


Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations Lebanon and Syria in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions.

not sure about this one
Israel's current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally responsible" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon.
surely that couldn't be true

It was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads.

this one seems very likely

The Israeli foreign ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans.


Sharon's coalition government includes a party -- Molodet which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories.


Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a Palestinian civilian bus and killed several people.

that'll give u fact finders some work to do

Ahlamalek, please check your sources better next time, as well as some common sense... Do you believe Ariel Sharon is stupid and tactless? Say waht you want to say about him but the bottom line is know your enemies.
By the way, even if these were true, they are from 1982 the latest, if you can expect Yasser Araffat to change into a peaceful leader from a terrorist in such a much shorter time, how can you not allow Sharon the benefit of the doubt?

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Ok Az let me just run down them from a quick perspective.

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Originally posted by Az "We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora." —Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Palestinian refugees in March 1949.

Probably true, but so what? Who is this Philosopher and why should one care about what he said?

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"I have a list of Arab villages of which I specify that they must be cleaned to inhabit Jews in their places. It is necessary to transfer the Arabs from their country and to ban them from returning to it…It must be clear that there is no room for two people in this country. The only solution is Palestine without the Arabs." —Joseph Weitz, organizer of the Palestinian deportation plans since 1948.

Again, so?

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"There were 400 people in this village, about 50 ran away, three are still living, all the rest were deliberately massacred, voluntarily, because, I have notes, this troop is admirably disciplined and it only acts upon orders." —A Red Cross delegate on the Massacre of Palestinian civilians from Deir Yassin village committed by Israeli troops. April, 9, 1948

Probably true, although there are wide arrays of conflicting reports of the massacre at Deir Yassinsome making it sound worse other better. Regardless, this is one event in Israeli history, horrible yes, but so?

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Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories. For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians.

Seems false to me, but I have done enough fact checking today so will leave it to others. the 85%, 15% water allotment might refer the general allotment of water give by Israel to the Palestinians, 100% being the total sum. The example of Hebron seems ridiciouslousy unlikely.

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Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites

This is true, but I may add both Iran and Iraq have signed it and are or have tried to proliferate nuclearly (cool word huh?). So best that can be said, at least Israel is not being officially hypocritical.

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Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations Lebanon and Syria in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions.

False, Israel does occupy territories Syria claims for itself and a case might be made for this. But according to the UN Israel occupies no land of Lebanon, I can bring up the resolution that states this but the UN basically said when Israel withdrew from Lebanon, it withdrew (at least in the UN's standpoint) from 100% of it.

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not sure about this one Israel's current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally responsible" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon.

This is true, but I can't remember if the specific wording was "indirectly responsible" or "personally", in the context however it does refer to indirectly responsible. I dare to find the courts saying he was "personally responsible" when he never personally carried the act - courts would find other wording.

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It was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads.

Seems very false. I think the decleration of Israel does not allow this practice (1948), but one may try and dig up susquent equal opprotunity laws passed in Israel.

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The Israeli foreign ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans.

I wouldn't even know where to check if this is true or not, but regardless if it is, so?

I know the Saudis hire more then 2 too

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Sharon's coalition government includes a party -- Molodet which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories.

I doesn't anymore, and they weren't very succesful in getting their wish in the former coalition huh?

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Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a Palestinian civilian bus and killed several people.

It would help if you can get the name of the man who attacked a civilian bus. But it seems very unlikely.