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Originally posted by George Smiley The Israeli government is just as bad as Hizballah and seems to hold human life in as much esteme as their Hizballah bretheren

Agree, as all my Lebanese and Jewish mates (who all get along really well) say: "both sides are as fucked up as each other"

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Originally posted by tathi Agree, as all my Lebanese and Jewish mates (who all get along really well) say: "both sides are as fucked up as each other"

While I don't disagree that both sides employ deplorable tactics, there's a world of difference of the scale of it and the suffering on eigther side, and there really is no debating that. And the fact still remains that Israel has consistantly illegaly expanded it's boundries and siezed land that it has no right to. Plus, Israel's population consists mainly of non-indigenous people while the indigenous population had been forcibly removed through violent coercive tactics (including terrorism and agression). So I wouldn't say both sides are "as fucked up as the other." I think it's alot more "fucked up" to kill/dehumanize and steal the land of an indigenous population than it is for the indigenous population to fight back by whatever means are available to them. With that kind of desparity and desperation, it's no surprise some of them also use terrorism as a means.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z While I don't disagree that both sides employ deplorable tactics, there's a world of difference of the scale of it and the suffering on eigther side, and there really is no debating that. And the fact still remains that Israel has consistantly illegaly expanded it's boundries and siezed land that it has no right to. Plus, Israel's population consists mainly of non-indigenous people while the indigenous population had been forcibly removed through violent coercive tactics (including terrorism and agression). So I wouldn't say both sides are "as fucked up as the other." I think it's alot more "fucked up" to kill/dehumanize and steal the land of an indigenous population than it is for the indigenous population to fight back by whatever means are available to them. With that kind of desparity and desperation, it's no surprise some of them also use terrorism as a means.

I agree with that aswell which is why i have always had more sympathy for the Palestinians and Lebanese in conflicts current and past, i've always taken the stance that Israeli State-Sanctioned Terrorism is much worse than the conventional terrorism utilised by Hamas and Hezbollah (the casualties and destruction caused speaks for itself) but that doesn't make Hezbollah any less fucked up.

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Originally posted by Epicurus Israeli intelligence at its best. Good job guys. http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/N...22571D20036836D

Shoudnt Lebanon be invading Israel to free these guys? Like Israel did for its two soilders?

And BTW what the hell happened to those two soilders? I hope they were tortured to death and their neked mutilated bodies thrown back into Israel border.. not that Israelis care enough though.

Zero tolerance to terrorism.

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Originally posted by Purple And BTW what the hell happened to those two soilders? I hope they were tortured to death and their neked mutilated bodies thrown back into Israel border.. not that Israelis care enough though.

this deserves a ban don't you think?

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Originally posted by Purple I hope they were tortured to death and their neked mutilated bodies thrown back into Israel border.. not that Israelis care enough though.

Your well within your right to hold those views but it probably isnt the nicest post when you considering the amount of Jews on this board.. Whats more is, to be an israeli you must serve a few years in the army. So how do you know these two chaps arent arab sympothisers who are forced into the conflict??
Most of the israelis ive met are!!

I think you should apologise

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Originally posted by Purple And BTW what the hell happened to those two soilders? I hope they were tortured to death and their neked mutilated bodies thrown back into Israel border.. not that Israelis care enough though.

I have no love for the IDF/Israeli military, but that's just completely uncalled for. Regarless of how cruel or barbaric you may think anyone is, even some one you may consider to be your enemy, dehumanizing them is revolting and extremely dishounorable. And you dehumanize yourself in the process.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Purple Shoudnt Lebanon be invading Israel to free these guys? Like Israel did for its two soilders? And BTW what the hell happened to those two soilders? I hope they were tortured to death and their neked mutilated bodies thrown back into Israel border.. not that Israelis care enough though. Zero tolerance to terrorism.

Yet one more post to add to your naive list

Are you completely that ignorant to the fact that the very reason they went into Lebanon was because it was two of their soldiers??

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Originally posted by Flotser this deserves a ban don't you think?

Oh yeah?

You guys can speak anything about muslims,, And one word I speak against jews deserves me a ban? You fucking hypocrite.. internet dosent classify citizens as second grade and first grade... all are equal here... jews or muslims... take your superiority Israeili complex somewhere else... your own god will punish you someday.. just wait.. your sins will come back to haunt you one day..just wait..


Crimes you have committed will get back to you.. just wait..

And I still hope that equal no. of Israelies are killed as you have killed in Lebanon..because you deserve it. You fucking murderer.

I hope god punishes you HARD this time!

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Originally posted by Purple Oh yeah? You guys can speak anything about muslims,, And one word I speak against jews deserves me a ban? You fucking hypocrite.. internet dosent classify citizens as second grade and first grade... all are equal here... jews or muslims... take your superiority Israeili complex somewhere else... your own god will punish you someday.. just wait.. your sins will come back to haunt you one day..just wait.. Crimes you have committed will get back to you.. just wait..

I dont recall anybody wishing what you said on any muslim/christian or jew.