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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
People say speeches don't count for much but IMO they should count for everything.

Well, they probably say that because very few politicians write their own speeches, so the quality of the speech may not reflect the quality of the intellect.

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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
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I think it does with Obama.

As Chrissi said, we really need someone who thinks about shit for longer than 10 seconds.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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I think it would be nice if politicians and candidates were required to write their own speeches.

I wonder if Bush would still have been elected then.

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The17sss
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Registered: May 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence
McCain uses his military record to qualify himself for the big job so of course Clark (and any body else who has the ability to step back, look at the big picture and think critically) should point out that McCain's military record does NOT in any way qualify him and in fact it should probably disqualify him because and this is an important because, because when McCain was a POW his country walked away from the conflict leaving him and how many others in a hostile country, in pain, and in the end, left him with the realization that the pain was for naught and for that reason, he wants to stay in Iraq (even if it takes a 100 years)

Damn that's a long sentence!


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You need someone who is willing to think, to be rational, to listen, to negotiate. Obama thinks. He reasons. He makes sense. He is rational. He listens. He seems willing to work with people, to talk to people, to negotiate, to validate


That's true, but that's not Obama. He doesn't reason, he parrots. He definitely doesn't make sense because he's still so vague, nobody knows exactly where he stands on things... watch how the polls sway and that's where he goes. What people, other than like minded far left leaning liberal dems does he seem willing to work with? Say what you want about McCain, but at least he crosses the aisle... what piece of legislation has Obama ever worked on with those who don't believe exactly as he does? He's willing to negotiate... with rogue america hating dictators with no preconditions, but he won't visit U.S. troops in the hospitals. You all love his story and want to believe it, just like everyone wanted to believe John Edwards heart warming story... but where is the substance? Can anyone give me 3 achievements that he's had which qualify him for this job? 1 achievement?

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The17sss
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His speech on racism was fantastic. Anyone that thinks about such issues with that kind of depth should be president. People say speeches don't count for much but IMO they should count for everything.


LOL what? It's so fantastic that people can't remember a meaningful line from it. Speeches smeeches... words without deeds mean nothing.

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Clovis
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Obama often makes perfect sense to the people listening.


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Clovis
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LOL what? It's so fantastic that people can't remember a meaningful line from it. Speeches smeeches... words without deeds mean nothing.


It was fantastic in that it demonstrated the breadth of his understanding of the issue of racism in this country.


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Very real criticisms raised by both Clovis and Chrissi, I'm just not sure I think that it's as far gone as either of you do at this point.

Still, this election is far from a sure thing for Obama - thankfully I think McCain will do a better job at digging his own grave than he will at providing the simple answers people actually want to hear.


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The17sss
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Obama often makes perfect sense to the people listening.


scary stuff

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jupiterone
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Registered: Dec 2004
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Still, this election is far from a sure thing for Obama - thankfully I think McCain will do a better job at digging his own grave than he will at providing the simple answers people actually want to hear.


agreed

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The17sss
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Registered: May 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by RJT
I think McCain will do a better job at digging his own grave


HAHA... in a literal sense, he doesn't need any help with that. This guy isn't at his door yet, but he's in the neighboorhood!

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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Very real criticisms raised by both Clovis and Chrissi, I'm just not sure I think that it's as far gone as either of you do at this point.

Still, this election is far from a sure thing for Obama - thankfully I think McCain will do a better job at digging his own grave than he will at providing the simple answers people actually want to hear.



I'm trying to keep my expectations really fucking low here.

I remember going to France before the 2004 election and everyone asking me if Bush had a chance, and I was like "no way...after everything he's done, no way"

Boy did I feel like an idiot...


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