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Originally posted by George Smiley What problems would Iran encounter if they launched nuclear bombs at Israel...and do you think those problems (assuming you think there are any?) would deter Iran from pursuing such an act? (note the word "deter")

Quite a few, but there is a sociopath at the helm who is determined to violate a global treaty.

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Originally posted by Shakka Land mass means squat other than they have that much more potential oil beneath them making them potentially that much more rich in a naturally occurring energy source. Ever heard of Alaska? Why don't they build some oil refineries? God knows it's a much safer business than building nuclear reactors. Area of France: 260,558 sq. mi Population of France: 63,587,700 GDP of France: $1.830 trillion Per capita GDP: $29,316 Area of Germany: 137,858 sq mi Population of Germany: 82,438,000 GDP of Germany: $2.522 trillion Per Capita GDP: $30,579 Area of Japan: 145,883 sq mi Population of Japan: 128,085,000 GDP of Japan: $3.911 trillion Per capita GDP: $30,615 Area of Belgium: 11,787 sq mi Population of Belgium: 10,419,000 GDP of Belgium: $316.2 billion Per capita GDP: $29,707 Area of the U.S.: 3,718,695 sq mi Population of U.S.: 299,102,661 GDP of U.S.: $12.28 trillion Per Capita GDP: $41,399 Area of U.K.: 94,526 sq mi Population of U.K.: 60,209,500 GDP of U.K.: $1.833 trillion Per Capita GDP: $30,470 Area of Iran: 636,372 sq mi Population of Iran: 68,467,413 GDP of Iran: $554.8 billion Per Capita GDP: $7,980 I hardly think a lack of nuclear weapons is to blame for the severely deficient per capita numbers. Would that magically make Iran incredibly more productive? I'd think the ratioal thing would be to focus more on developing their education system and general infrastructure so as to improve productivity.

Lack of electricity is a deterrent of foreign investment in industry, and also hikes costs of having industries in the country. In my country we have that problem of not having reliable electricity, so people have to invest in power plants and gas for them, or other forms of back up power that is used very frequently. Because of these situations alot of investment does not come into the country, and we have been told this directly by people wanting to invest. I dont know what the exact situation is with power generation in Iran, but i can tell you first hand that having a steady power supply is as important as improving the education system, and i would actually lump it in with 'general infrastructure'.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by George Smiley Just as an aside, lets assume that Iran does want nuclear weapons... Do you think Iran's desire for nuclear weapons is for defensive or offensive purposes?

If it even is for military purposes i would say Defensive. Look at it from thier point of view. In the last 5 years, neighbor coutires on either side have been invaded by the USA. I dont blame em for wanting nukes.

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Originally posted by jonSun If it even is for military purposes i would say Defensive. Look at it from thier point of view. In the last 5 years, neighbor coutires on either side have been invaded by the USA. I dont blame em for wanting nukes.

Iam glad there are some sane people that understand the situation and really do see the reason why a country like Iran would want to go nuclear.

Iran has no reason to attack anyone unless they are attacked first.

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Originally posted by jonSun I dont blame em for wanting nukes.

Neither do I, but ultimatley we are left with two options.

The suvival of our civilisation or the complete destruction of both!

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Originally posted by George Smiley And where does MAD enter your theory? In fact, can you give me the pros and cons for Iran, assuming your theory is correct?

Oh I dunno, maybe you missed the part about them wanting to blow Isreal off the map and their ongoing proxy war using Hizbullah?

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Sorry I forgot you might read that. How exactly can I simplify that quote so that even you can understand it? Hmmmm...ok... What problems would Iran encounter if they launched nuclear bombs at Israel...and do you think those problems (assuming you think there are any?) would deter Iran from pursuing such an act? (note the word "deter")

Now that its actually coherent...

Where exactly have you been lately?
Iran has until the end of this month to comply with the U.N. on these issues.
Why put the onus on me to point something that blatant out?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iran has no reason to attack anyone unless they are attacked first.

Minus a handful of hawkish statements about wiping Israel off the map and some "death to America" chants...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iran has no reason to attack anyone unless they are attacked first.

Wow.
Just wow.

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Originally posted by Shakka Minus a handful of hawkish statements about wiping Israel off the map and some "death to America" chants...

Well look at it from Irans point of view. They see the USA bombing and/or invading a new country every 5 years or less. If another coutry was doing that to allies of the States, Bush would be saying a heck of alot worse. Plus Iran has only made statements & thats all, while the USA makes statements & then a year later theres action, while as always thousands of innocent civilians die. Irans behavior has been good compared to the USA & Israel.

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Originally posted by jonSun Plus Iran has only made statements & thats all, while the USA makes statements & then a year later theres action, while as always thousands of innocent civilians die.

Well, you are right, the USA does tell everyone what they're doing, unlike Iran which tries to be sneaky about their goals.

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Irans behavior has been good compared to the USA & Israel.

You mean like their ongoing proxy war with Israel?
Or their continuing non-compliance with the U.N.?
Or going to rallies...



Yea, they've been quite the angel.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Oh I dunno, maybe you missed the part about them wanting to blow Isreal off the map and their ongoing proxy war using Hizbullah?

Any chance of you answering my questions and not skirting round the issue?

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Now that its actually coherent...

I thought you were being sarcastic! Maybe you're not as smart as I thought!

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Where exactly have you been lately? Iran has until the end of this month to comply with the U.N. on these issues. Why put the onus on me to point something that blatant out?

Not quite sure why you are dodging the question (ok so I guess cos it will go against your beliefs) but...

What problems will Iran face if it launches nukes at Israel...

An answer please