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Originally posted by Dmatrox What creeps me out about christians is the "speak in tongues" thing. I think its wierd and doesnt exist. Also "speaking to god" doesnt make any sense to me neither. Do christian people mistake "speaking to god" as "speaking to their conscience"? Just wondering

I've always said: when you speak to God it's faith... when God speaks back, you're appraoching schizophrenia

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Originally posted by astroboy I've always said: when you speak to God it's faith... when God speaks back, you're appraoching schizophrenia

haha, that's great!

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Originally posted by Orbax you have a rapist fucking mentality my friend.

Looks to me your not interested in debating anything. Your stating your position (poorly) then refuse to answer any criticism. I doubt you'll make it as a lawyer, which requires the ablity to put together a coherent argument and defend it.

You've been bating Dignut and now your resorting to making personal attacks against him because your unable to defend you position. Very distasteful.

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Originally posted by Orbax kewlness, are u saying u believe in moral relativism with no moral absolutes?

I'm saying, different people have different opinions and views on what is good and evil. However, I believe that there is an ultimate standard of what is good and evil is set by God. Where good would be whatever follows God and His will and where evil would be anything that goes against God and His will.

Basically, everyone has their own standard of what is right or wrong but the ultimate standard is set by God and "wisdom" is how close and accurate your standard is compared to God. Hope that clears up my opinion.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Looks to me your not interested in debating anything. Your stating your position (poorly) then refuse to answer any criticism. I doubt you'll make it as a lawyer, which requires the ablity to put together a coherent argument and defend it. You've been bating Dignut and now your resorting to making personal attacks against him because your unable to defend you position. Very distasteful.

shut up bitch, when did you enter this conversation? Oh right, just now. Fuck off, k thanks. Haha, you dumb bastard, I rag on you once, and you get all "sided" dont think I dont know how your little brain works.

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Originally posted by kewlness I'm saying, different people have different opinions and views on what is good and evil. However, I believe that there is an ultimate standard of what is good and evil is set by God. Where good would be whatever follows God and His will and where evil would be anything that goes against God and His will. Basically, everyone has their own standard of what is right or wrong but the ultimate standard is set by God and "wisdom" is how close and accurate your standard is compared to God. Hope that clears up my opinion.

I guess my question is this: Do you think that someone thinking that they are doing the right thing makes it the right thing? Do you think God looks at that differently?

Personally I think there is not a "driving" force, but a "choosing" force in everyones life.

But, also I see that someone might say "If you were raised as a nazi, and then given Himmler's power, would you be any different?"

It makes for an interesting conversation at least hehe. I think someone might have said something similar already.

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Originally posted by Orbax shut up bitch

Concession accepted.

What an interesting thread.

Chew on this:
When you are playing golf, you will look at the slopes around the path to the whole, and base how you hit the ball on those slopes to get your desired outcome. Say something out there did want to create the universe, with no mental limitations could you not agree that every desired event for all time could be calculated down to an interaction of subatomic particles?

Would you agree that if you knew the exact stage of everything in the universe, you could predict every single event to come for all time? Some of these ideas are hard to comprehend. In simpler terms, you push a ball toward another ball straight on, on a frictionless surface, no angle of incline, air resistance ignored, you know exactly what is going to happen to the other ball when they come in contact. If the conditions never change, and the ball is always rolled the exact same, the result will never change. They ways an organism react due to a certain stimulus are vastly complex and are based one thousands of conditions. BUT, could you not agree it can be calculated? Every single thing in the universe can be traced back to its origin through calculation, possibly converging on a single point in time and space, to a single event on a molecular level?

Such an event is 'god'.



(Just something a little different to throw into the mix)

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Originally posted by moth What an interesting thread. Chew on this: When you are playing golf, you will look at the slopes around the path to the whole, and base how you hit the ball on those slopes to get your desired outcome. Say something out there did want to create the universe, with no mental limitations could you not agree that every desired event for all time could be calculated down to an interaction of subatomic particles? Would you agree that if you knew the exact stage of everything in the universe, you could predict every single event to come for all time? Some of these ideas are hard to comprehend. In simpler terms, you push a ball toward another ball straight on, on a frictionless surface, no angle of incline, air resistance ignored, you know exactly what is going to happen to the other ball when they come in contact. If the conditions never change, and the ball is always rolled the exact same, the result will never change. They ways an organism react due to a certain stimulus are vastly complex and are based one thousands of conditions. BUT, could you not agree it can be calculated? Every single thing in the universe can be traced back to its origin through calculation, possibly converging on a single point in time and space, to a single event on a molecular level? Such an event is 'god'. (Just something a little different to throw into the mix)

You're basically talking about determinism. I don't understand enough about quantum physics to comprehend the arguments about whether or not the universe might be deterministic.

Whether or not this requires a "first cause" is a matter of complex debate in itself, usually begging the question "what caused the first cause?"

Ultimately though, it is too vague a definition of "god" to be of any practical value. Even if such a "god" did exist, we wouldn't be able to derive any more information about it merely from that definition - certainly not any kind of moral code. Because the term "god" has such a dogmatic connotation, I don't think it would be a good choice of terminology when referring to the general idea of a "first cause".

Cheers,

Arbiter

we are all here not through adaptation or evolution


but by determinism

We were detailed out..as part of a big scheme..and someone is looking down on us all...








Also non-god believers...wut do u think about life? after we die..we decompose and rot and insects eat our corpse up?

arent yall scared that life is just a bag of feelings and memories gather togethered to later be dumped into a heap of soil for eternity. All feelings and memories to be destroyed?

human beings and life scare the shit outta me...i cant understand it

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec we are all here not through adaptation or evolution but by determinism We were detailed out..as part of a big scheme..and someone is looking down on us all... Also non-god believers...wut do u think about life? after we die..we decompose and rot and insects eat our corpse up? arent yall scared that life is just a bag of feelings and memories gather togethered to later be dumped into a heap of soil for eternity. All feelings and memories to be destroyed? human beings and life scare the shit outta me...i cant understand it

Let me give you a.. suggestion. In europe, almost less then 10% is active on some kind of religion, and even less then that in this board. All I can say is that you will get even more confused with the many posts or opinions that people have. Lots of atheists, and lots of everything. And Trust me. Atheists will always find a loophole.. and hence the fact that everything related to god, is got to deal with faith.. and that you build upon studying the Bible or by just been righteous. There's an afterlife, I believe in God, and Im sure that if you follow the commandments and do as God has layed out for us to on how to live right.. then you shouldn fear.. You need a testimony, and faith.. thats all I can say from my part. I dont suggest you sticking here though for thoughs.. varies too much, and like I said, you'll get more confused. .. All in Good Faith.

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