diji: So if a woman or man knows they're infertile in a hetrosexual relationship they shouldn't be allowed to get married then? If child bearing is a deciding factor when talking about getting married then why are people who don't have children allowed to get married, or further more allowed to have the tax breaks? Wouldn't they be ripping off tax payers too then?

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Originally posted by failsafe diji: So if a woman or man knows they're infertile in a hetrosexual relationship they shouldn't be allowed to get married then? If child bearing is a deciding factor when talking about getting married then why are people who don't have children allowed to get married, or further more allowed to have the tax breaks? Wouldn't they be ripping off tax payers too then?

Technically, yes, if two people in a hetero couple don't plan on ever having children then they probably should not get married, or at least should not receive the full benefits of marriage. However, from a policy standpoint, it's not very effective to implement that kind of a system - it's far easier to look at two men and know they won't have kids than it is to look at a hetero couple and know that.

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why even marry to have kids then? Why not just have the government hand out tax breaks to those with children?

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Originally posted by failsafe Orbax, I assume you're just horribly misguided; becasue I don't believe someone could be as stupid as you seem and still manage to feed and dress theselves. The ___--MAIN--___ reason for the rapid spread of AID's in Africa is the trucking industry. You did indeed get the dry sex part right, you just got the people who are doing it wrong. It's the truck drivers that visit the prostitutes and then bring the AID's back to their homes. I figured such an authority on africa like yourself would know this, apparently not. god, if you're wrong about the spread of aids through africa then what else might you be wrong about? http://www.globalministries.org/africa/hap7.htm http://flakmag.com/features/aids2.html http://www.kit.nl/ils/exchange_cont...me=No&language= http://www.news24.com/News24/South_...1404053,00.html http://www.irinnews.org/AIDSreport....Southern_Africa

I was covering the main topics. I dont care who is using the prostitues, and it isnt worth mentioning. The fact that there is rampant use of unprotected prositution means that someone is *Gasp* doing it. It was implied, but, and I did predict this, you missed the *fucking point* congratulations to me.

and even if your "if you are wrong about 1 thing, my God where does your wrongness end" argument had the smallest shred of logic (which youve obviously never studied in) the fact that I wasnt wrong would disprove your little theory. Im glad someone has a webpage that you can link to?

Your last post was almost intelligent though, so close!

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Originally posted by failsafe why even marry to have kids then? Why not just have the government hand out tax breaks to those with children?

Yes, that's really not such a bad idea. Abolish marriage (in the state sense - religious ones can still be performed), and simply give the benefits to those who already have children.

Separation of church and state, really, it's perfect. In Judaism, married couples actually have two separate marriages - the legal marriage, and the Jewish marriage. The latter is simply a legally binding contract, without any government benefits.

I don't make the policies, though.

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You typed 9 lines of nothing, and then patted yourself on the back for being a moron. You give me humour if nothing else Orbax.

digi: well it's nice to see that we at least have _some_ common ground. Orbax is a lost cause though I'm afraid. It's like trying to tell a 5yr old boy that girls don't have "cooties". You can argue until you're blue in the face and they'll never understand. I feel that's the direction that this is going in so I'll end my contributions to it now.

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Originally posted by failsafe You typed 9 lines of nothing, and then patted yourself on the back for being a moron. You give me humour if nothing else Orbax.

Clever

Digi- I think we made a breakthrough! it only took 3 pages to get the idea into his skull, lol!

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Originally posted by failsafe digi: well it's nice to see that we at least have _some_ common ground. Orbax is a lost cause though I'm afraid. It's like trying to tell a 5yr old boy that girls don't have "cooties". You can argue until you're blue in the face and they'll never understand. I feel that's the direction that this is going in so I'll end my contributions to it now.

at least we hate eachother. The real question is who is right. Cuz I think youre a moron, and you think I am one. Do do Do do.

edit. What contributions? Youve merely piggybacked on what ive been saying.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The point is that you are segregating a group of people based on their sexual orientation, and criticising the way they live but have yet given a legitamte explanation as to why you feel this way... That is why we think you are an ignorant idiot.

You-mean you. I have the right to think the way I think, and I have a reason to think the way I think.

You have your thoughts,I have mine. I respect your thoughts, but going around calling people ignorant idiots is more than unfair, this is a debate. Not an argument.

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Originally posted by failsafe Nellie: You claim not to be a kid yet you say very childish things like "I've talked to my parents". HAHAH man that cracked me up. If you think that homosexuals are "people too", you're correct. Why deny a fellow man or woman the right to marry a member of the same sex if they're your equal? Don't give me this "marriage is sacred" crap either. Hell almost 50% of marriages end in divorce, so it's not like all these hetrosexual people are holding it sacred. If I were to put an honest guess down, I'd say you were 14-15yrs old. You have a talk with your parents about my post, and you can respond with what they think. Tell you mom I said "Hi" *wink*

Where else do you think people learn? From their parents. My parents are important to me,just as yours should be to you.

The reason homosexuals shouldn't be able to be married,yes is because it is scared. It's not crap, Marriage is VERY important. But,homosexuality isn't natural. I know what you're going to say,but that's how it is.

lol I'm not 14 or 15. It's funny though,how you and others have to personally attack a person when you are losing a debate? hmm..that's not fair now you know. I don't have to converse with my parents about your post,or any others infact. I don't either.

I don't think you should be kidding around about communication with parents. Afterall,No matter how old you are,They still are your parents.

Furthermore,what does age have to do with any of this? You're what, 19,20 maybe? Age really doesn't say much about a person.

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