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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I pay. They way I figure is this: either way, one day the bank accounts are going to be joined - so whether I pay or she pays, we both end up paying. Capiche? ja

but what if you guys decide to keep things seperate, i know some married couples that do that. then what do you do coz you still have the same problem???

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Originally posted by trancechaos but what if you guys decide to keep things seperate, i know some married couples that do that. then what do you do coz you still have the same problem???

thats stupid. sorry.

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Originally posted by trancechaos but what if you guys decide to keep things seperate, i know some married couples that do that. then what do you do coz you still have the same problem???

I don't plan on doing that - problem solved.

Marriage is the creation of a single functional unit - so merging everything just seems reasonable to me.

(and no I'm not currently married or engaged {and won't be for a while, thanks})

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker (and no I'm not currently married or engaged {and won't be for a while, thanks})

You do realize that if you're not even engaged to this girl, you're simply using whatever possibility of future marriage there may be as an excuse to not feel like a sucker because you're paying for everything?

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Originally posted by d!abolic You do realize that if you're not even engaged to this girl, you're simply using whatever possibility of future marriage there may be as an excuse to not feel like a sucker because you're paying for everything?

OK USA.

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Originally posted by d!abolic You do realize that if you're not even engaged to this girl, you're simply using whatever possibility of future marriage there may be as an excuse to not feel like a sucker because you're paying for everything?

OK. You do realize that there is no right or wrong answer to this question. If you don't like to pay for things no one is forcing you to. For those people who do not have a problem with paying for things, there is nothing wrong with it.

Not everyone is talking about the same thing in this thread. Some people have made reference to first dates, some to long tern relationships. There is a big difference between the two.

RJ is in a long term relationship with someone he obviously cares deeply about and is willing to share everything with . That scenario does not a sucker make.

Just because someone is willing to give of themselves emotionally and financially does not make them weak. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

I can understand if you are not willing to make yourself vulnerable in that way, that is your choice, but don't pass judgement on people who are willing to do something you are not just because you have had bad expereinces.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess Well, once women actually do get equal rights in the work force then they can pick up all the checks but unfortunately this is still not the case. You keep on stating this point but in fact women still make less money and have crappier jobs, so therefore, your ongoing repetition of "equal rights end when the check arrives" is wrong. Equality hasn't started yet so how can it end?

Can you illustrate a current example of women not getting equal pay? everywhere ive worked and everyone i know is getting the same money. As for crappier jobs, thats very subjective because guess what? Many women take part time jobs in order to be there for their kids (this actually does still happen). To make comparisons you have to compare 2 identical jobs, not apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Agreed. It's called chivalry. Tip for the guys: a little chivalry goes a long way... try it sometime.

aaaah but feminists hate chivalry. I thought chivalry was machismo and wrong? Which is it? equal rights or chivalry? How about a little chivalrette?

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Originally posted by Skipper However, study after study show that women working the same job as men, on average, take home about 70% of a man's paycheque. FOR THE SAME WORK.

id like to see these studies and who authors them. Id also like to see if the compare the SAME WORK at the SAME COMPANY for the SAME NUMBER OF YEARS WORKED.

Studies like this leave a lot of room for subjectability.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess well, right now, i'm not personally going through that because all grad students get paid the same, but i see it around the faculty at the university. but comments from jayx1 bother me because there are people out there that think things are equal and they are not!

so you arent going through it but you see it.... hmmmmmmmm

I guess youve been personally opening everyone's paycheques? Interesting

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Originally posted by malek thats stupid. sorry.

i was just wondering that all....isnt it called a prenuptial agreement or something? some people so that. i personaly think its dumb as well.

Nothing can kill romance faster than the word prenup. But with about one in three of all first marriages ending in divorce, and 50 percent of second or third ones hitting the skids, a prenup is smart financial planning, legal and financial experts say.

"Think of it as a business arrangement or as an insurance policy to help remove some of the emotion that's naturally involved," says Nancy Dunnan, a New York City financial adviser and author. "Marriage is not just an emotional and physical union -- it's also a financial union. A prenup and the discussions that go with it can help ensure the financial well-being of the marriage."

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Can you illustrate a current example of women not getting equal pay? everywhere ive worked and everyone i know is getting the same money. As for crappier jobs, thats very subjective because guess what? Many women take part time jobs in order to be there for their kids (this actually does still happen). To make comparisons you have to compare 2 identical jobs, not apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 id like to see these studies and who authors them. Id also like to see if the compare the SAME WORK at the SAME COMPANY for the SAME NUMBER OF YEARS WORKED. Studies like this leave a lot of room for subjectability.

Anyone can skew stats...it doesn't follow that the mound of research out there is false.

If you honestly want evidence, I'll forward this thread to a friend who just finished a specialist degree, majoring in Industrial Relations, and who specifically did reserach on this very subject. You'll have plenty of examples of both unequal pay environments (yes, for the same work) and how there are plenty of reasons other than women's desire to stay with their kids that contribute to them ending up in lower positions (not that your example would somehow legitimize the disparity, even if it were true).

Why would "same work, same job" be necessary for a comparison...you don't think a company has ever given women a similar role to men, but called the position something else, thereby getting away with paying them less? I'm sure that would be one of the examples. "Admin Assistant" vs. "Office Clerk". See, it's easy. Two jobs, could be same work, could be a significant pay disparity.