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Originally posted by Freak I do agree tho the cd deck has a lot to answer for.

Umm... No, it absolutely does not.

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On the one hand companies are pushing cd decks with mp3 etc playback, but on the other doing nothing to halt the music piracy and dodgy downloading going on. Bit of a conflict of interests

Mp3 is a LEGAL file format that does have legal uses. You cannot hold companies that make CD turntables responsible for the action of pirates.

A car is a legal object with lots of practical uses. But it can also be used for illicit purposes. Is is the auto-manufacturer's fault that some dumbass decides to use their car to run someone down? Should Honda, BMW, Audi, etc be held responsible because they make cars that accelerate quick, go fast, and turn sharp? What about if their car is used as a getaway car in a bank robbery? Or in a drive by shooting? Or for illegial street racing? I mean, shame on Honda for letting their economy cars become so easily modifiable - they should be held partially responisible whenever someone dies racing, or from racing, one of their civics.

And while we're at it, shame on knife manufacturers for still designing kitchen knives with sharp points in this day and age. That's just asking for a stabbing. Can't they use rounded points? What about crowbars? All they do is make breaking into things a lot easier. And don't forget hammers, bats, pens, wrenches, tire irons, saws, flashlights, screwdrivers, nailguns, lighters, gasoline..........



If we're going hold the manufacturers of legal objects responsible for those who have used their item illegially, then we may as well build ourselves a time machine and buy a one way ticket for the stone age.

Is it possible that people have used illegial mp3s on their CDJs? Absolutely. But can we blame Pioneer and Denon and the rest because their legal device was used illegially? Nope.

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Originally posted by basd Please stop spreading this kind of 'facts' about europe when you clearly don't know anything about it.. Have you ever even been here? Big festivals and raves sold out over here, and clubs were packed long before that MP3 shit came up. Radio shows, exchanging mix tapes and good old 'spreading the word around' did the job back then over here, why wouldn't it continue to do so nowadays?

yeah i have been to europe plenty of times. i am orginally from egypt and so europe is a 3 hour flight.club did sell out but only a few and festivals are few n far between. now every month there is some sort of festival goin on somewhere and they all sell out..dj's r pop stars gettin recognized everywhere..u got tiesto on a can of coke throwing concert,pvd doin motorola commercials..and look how much they charge now where is when the scene was not as big they would be happy with something to pay the bills..u think they got that big from mixtapes? u gotta be kdding me...personally i miss the underground feel of the scene.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Umm... No, it absolutely does not. Mp3 is a LEGAL file format that does have legal uses. You cannot hold companies that make CD turntables responsible for the action of pirates. A car is a legal object with lots of practical uses. But it can also be used for illicit purposes. Is is the auto-manufacturer's fault that some dumbass decides to use their car to run someone down? Should Honda, BMW, Audi, etc be held responsible because they make cars that accelerate quick, go fast, and turn sharp? What about if their car is used as a getaway car in a bank robbery? Or in a drive by shooting? Or for illegial street racing? I mean, shame on Honda for letting their economy cars become so easily modifiable - they should be held partially responisible whenever someone dies racing, or from racing, one of their civics. And while we're at it, shame on knife manufacturers for still designing kitchen knives with sharp points in this day and age. That's just asking for a stabbing. Can't they use rounded points? What about crowbars? All they do is make breaking into things a lot easier. And don't forget hammers, bats, pens, wrenches, tire irons, saws, flashlights, screwdrivers, nailguns, lighters, gasoline.......... If we're going hold the manufacturers of legal objects responsible for those who have used their item illegially, then we may as well build ourselves a time machine and buy a one way ticket for the stone age. Is it possible that people have used illegial mp3s on their CDJs? Absolutely. But can we blame Pioneer and Denon and the rest because their legal device was used illegially? Nope.

i think that is a wrong context, though i do get what you mean.

But cars, knifes, airplanes have different use besides Illegal stuff.

mp3 is designed for one thing and that is music..and companies taking advantages from it and if a 12 year old girl download something because she mite have a mini disc, she get sueed by the RIAA

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Originally posted by Octanesyco Greetings. My name is Casey. You can call me Moose. -Moose

If people like a track they leech of the net, they should definitely buy the single/album to support the artist. EOD.

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Originally posted by BigTongue that is exactly right no? you test drive a car, and if you like it you buy it? i don't see ford bitching & complaining...

maybe that is because its not somthing that you can just copy and give to a friend.. you have to physically go out and buy a ford to have one you cant just download one off the internet..

and i think we can all agree that p2p is evil

what i think is funny is that so many release groups think that they are leet because they rip it first. but really...wouldn't you just be a selfish bastard and feel more leet by being the only one to have it? that's what i would do hehehe

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Originally posted by basd Please stop spreading this kind of 'facts' about europe when you clearly don't know anything about it.. Have you ever even been here? Big festivals and raves sold out over here, and clubs were packed long before that MP3 shit came up. Radio shows, exchanging mix tapes and good old 'spreading the word around' did the job back then over here, why wouldn't it continue to do so nowadays?

Well I'm sure that was the case in Europe... and I'll hesitate to speak for Asia and other parts of the world, but I can tell you my personal experience.

I live in Bumfuck. There is a farm with cows 100 yards from my house. There's not a vinyl shop for 100s of miles. EDM gets absolutely zero exposure here. I heard sandstorm once on the radio a few years ago, as well as DJ Sammy once or twice. That's it.

I first heard electronica when a friend loaned me a burned CD with some big Quake patches on it (I was on dialup at the time - he had cable). This CD also had some mp3s on it from artists I've never heard of. So I grabbed them, and the rest is history. I started downloading every track I could get my little hands on. Then I started mixing them in MixMeister and Traktor, and giving the mixes to friends. That was five years ago - I was 13. Does the industry really expect a 13 year old middle class kid to be buying records at 10 bucks a pop? Where do they expect me to find them, let alone get the money for them?

The record labels may have "taken a hit" from me back then, but now that I have a steady income, I'm spending hundreds a month on records. They wouldn't be getting any money from me today if I hadn't been downloading my heart out back then.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Well I'm sure that was the case in Europe... and I'll hesitate to speak for Asia and other parts of the world, but I can tell you my personal experience. I live in Bumfuck. There is a farm with cows 100 yards from my house. There's not a vinyl shop for 100s of miles. EDM gets absolutely zero exposure here. I heard sandstorm once on the radio a few years ago, as well as DJ Sammy once or twice. That's it. I first heard electronica when a friend loaned me a burned CD with some big Quake patches on it (I was on dialup at the time - he had cable). This CD also had some mp3s on it from artists I've never heard of. So I grabbed them, and the rest is history. I started downloading every track I could get my little hands on. Then I started mixing them in MixMeister and Traktor, and giving the mixes to friends. That was five years ago - I was 13. Does the industry really expect a 13 year old middle class kid to be buying records at 10 bucks a pop? Where do they expect me to find them, let alone get the money for them? The record labels may have "taken a hit" from me back then, but now that I have a steady income, I'm spending hundreds a month on records. They wouldn't be getting any money from me today if I hadn't been downloading my heart out back then.

Our scene and this very site reached its size and popularity due to mp3's..i fail to see otherwise..nuff said

in the end this isn't about whether or not CD DJs are legit, or whether MP3s and P2P are evil. ultimately this is about getting the artists the money they deserve for the art they are sharing with us.

artists make their money DJing, at festivals, and concerts, and even on radio shows (ASOT, GDJB, TAW). but they should also be making money off the singles and albums they're releasing, right? well they do, on the album bit at least. compilation albums and artist albums do fairly well when compared to singles.

so artists are losing money in the singles department. who cares? they can make enough money DJing and on albums, singles should be, and usually are, for PROMO purposes.

so if artists get ripped off on the singles they release it shouldn't be crippling them too much, they have other venues where they can make money.

i say that singles are for promo and DJing/producing CDs is for bringing about profits. for example, i love G&D. i'll purchase Bloom when it comes out. On the other hand i've already downloaded the Original, Extended, and Edit versions of their latest mix and will never buy that single.

the author of this thread is bitching about 1 single? you wanna make money pal? get your artists out there DJing and they'll make tons of cash.

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Most Wanted Tracks:
>Elevation + Gabriel & Dresden - Athena
>Ozgur Can - Illusions
>Starkid - Crayons (Leama & Moor's In Loving Memory Of Starkid Remix)
>Vadim Zhukov - Moscow Morning
>Perry O'Neil - Arise
>Super 8 - Cr8
>Delerium feat. Sarah Mclachlan - Silence (Above & Beyond's 21st Century Remix)

READIN THIS TOPIC I CANT HELP BUT LAUGH

I wonder how many of the people here mouthing off about downloading have bit torrent on their PC ?

How many have downloaded movies, DVDr's, Games, Software ??

How many producers that have downloaded reason, cubase ?

Point proven

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Originally posted by KidConscious in the end this isn't about whether or not CD DJs are legit, or whether MP3s and P2P are evil. ultimately this is about getting the artists the money they deserve for the art they are sharing with us. artists make their money DJing, at festivals, and concerts, and even on radio shows (ASOT, GDJB, TAW). but they should also be making money off the singles and albums they're releasing, right? well they do, on the album bit at least. compilation albums and artist albums do fairly well when compared to singles. so artists are losing money in the singles department. who cares? they can make enough money DJing and on albums, singles should be, and usually are, for PROMO purposes. so if artists get ripped off on the singles they release it shouldn't be crippling them too much, they have other venues where they can make money. i say that singles are for promo and DJing/producing CDs is for bringing about profits. for example, i love G&D. i'll purchase Bloom when it comes out. On the other hand i've already downloaded the Original, Extended, and Edit versions of their latest mix and will never buy that single. the author of this thread is bitching about 1 single? you wanna make money pal? get your artists out there DJing and they'll make tons of cash.

if a track is a good track..it will make money no matter how much it is downloaded..the ones who dont make money r the producers of crappy tracks because mp3's will expose it.