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Originally posted by discojoe I think one of the problems is that, in europe especially, other cities have a more dense population. So a new expensive subway line would reach far more people for the same distance. Its not the only problem but it might be an explanation.

i think toronto has a much higher density than most european big cities, im not sure tho.

and yes, subway doesnt need to be under earth, subway can combine under earth and above earth, depending on where it is (over in suberbs, under close to dowtown). That would make it much cheaper and i dont think any other city has all its subway under earth?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew That would make it much cheaper and i dont think any other city has all its subway under earth?

for the record, there are a few above-ground stations in TO

but most North American cities have a totally-underground system

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf for the record, there are a few above-ground stations in TO but most North American cities have a totally-underground system

well, someone said something idicating you didnt

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well, someone said something idicating you didnt

my referred to the Toronto Transit Commission, not you

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Rule of thumb: you only build a subway when there's something above ground that's worth saving. Suburban TO has NOTHING above ground worth saving! Subways are therefore a total waste of money. What we need are above-ground trains and trams. Has anyone here been to Berlin? I have, and I can tell you that they have the best transportation system I've ever seen. http://www.bvg.de/e_index.html Check out their train map, which includes mixed above- and underground trains. They also have trams for more suburban areas. pwned!!!

i love the Berlin subway .. especially the fact that they run 24-hours during the weekends !! ahhhh .. the days ..

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Originally posted by St_Andrew i think toronto has a much higher density than most european big cities, im not sure tho. and yes, subway doesnt need to be under earth, subway can combine under earth and above earth, depending on where it is (over in suberbs, under close to dowtown). That would make it much cheaper and i dont think any other city has all its subway under earth?

Toronto is comparable to a city like Madrid which hav a similar population size, but Madrid's subway is far more extensive.. as is Barcelona which has a smaller popuation than Toronto ..

but then this would lead into the whole debate about people being less dependant on cars there, etc.. blah blah ..

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