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Originally posted by smokeape Why all the bitching and moaning about us giving up US Taxpayer dollars for the poor son-of-a-bitches living along some desolute south asian beach? I personally don't give a damn. And don't give a damn if we didn't contribute a bunch.

Well, then you will be giving a damn when muslims who have lost their homes and everything they had join Al Quaeda ranks because you were too stingy to give them some money to rebuild their towns. Something like that should have happened to you, and then you'd be telling a different story.

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See that now we're jumping in to stave off more casualties, but Jesus Friggin' H, why doesn't the UN act? Fire f*cking Annan, move the f*cking outfit to Paris and let the US be rid of the useless "worldly" society of inaction. [[[smoke]]]

UN is acting and UN forces are distributing aid to the region. Why don't you f*cking get a brain?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, then you will be giving a damn when muslims who have lost their homes and everything they had join Al Quaeda ranks because you were too stingy to give them some money to rebuild their towns.

No offense, Tito, but that is a really, REALLY bad argument.

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Originally posted by Shakka No offense, Tito, but that is a really, REALLY bad argument.

actually it's not. Povertry breeds desperation... desperation breeds terrorism...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew actually it's not. Povertry breeds desperation... desperation breeds terrorism...

So then, it is solely America's fault for creating terrorists because they weren't generous enough? Yeah, those stingy Americans are to blame. If only they'd just give us more handouts, we'd attack them less. Yeah, it's evil, rich America's fault. Is there no such thing as accountability to you? It's all about entitlement? How do you come to that conclusion?

Again, it is an extraordinarily terrible argument.

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Originally posted by Shakka So then, it is solely America's fault for creating terrorists because they weren't generous enough? Yeah, those stingy Americans are to blame. If only they'd just give us more handouts, we'd attack them less. Yeah, it's evil, rich America's fault. Is there no such thing as accountability to you? It's all about entitlement? How do you come to that conclusion? Again, it is an extraordinarily terrible argument.

1. America do pay less in aid than most other developed countries.
2. I dont say that you have to, just that its probably smarter. Im pretty sure that 200 billions or whatever the iraqwar has costed yet would have prevented terrorism more in the long run if it had been invested in countries instead of destroying them.

So putting in some billion there now will save you money for the future.

i have heard to see that al quaida would get much support in afganistan if it was a democratic prospereus nation.

Lets just say you are right and America gives less money as a country. Then factor in the citizens. Then factor in the military ships and planes used and the billions that costs, then factor in the food shipments, then factor in the medicine supplied. People tend to make this so black and white based on a single cash figure given.

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Originally posted by Shakka No offense, Tito, but that is a really, REALLY bad argument.

Eh well, I had to think up something fast

But seriously, seeing that Indonesia is a mostly muslim nation, and considering that they do have their pretty organized terrorist networks, it really makes it easy for their local muslim fundies to convince people who've lost everything that America is the evil empire who gives out billions of dollars to Israel and funds the war in Iraq yet refuses to give them few million dollars to rebuild their homes. I was not talking about a direct and massive surge in Al Quaeda ranks like people saying "oh, I've lost my house, americans won't pay for it, I'm gonna strap an explosive belt to my ass", I was talking about the general climate of the area and the fact that many muslims really dislike the US and are pretty inclined towards viewing Bin Laden as their national hero and a liberator.

Consider the international reaction if US would refuse to grant any aid. Most non-muslim people would start to hate the US for that. Now consider what an average muslim anti-american guy would think. It would be such a bad PR move that would practically justify every Al Quaeda terrorist action in his eyes. Those wackos at the fundie mosques would have material to brag about America being the great satan for weeks. And that sort of mood in the middle east is what Al Quaeda lives on. If the arab world would start to like the US, AQ would not get a single new recruit ever again.

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