I'm an atheist. But I do believe in fate.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well, like 90% of all wars still has something to do with religion.

another general statment with no proof!
please provide historical facts and evidence!

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe good point Andy, I guess when I say i'm spiritual but not religious I'm highlighting the fact that I do believe in the posibility of a higher being. I do partially believe in a soul and karma as well as living a rightous life, however without needing to subscribe to any one particular religion. I'm a whole hearted believer in the idea that if you subscribe to any one religion you gotta stick to it 100%. Too many hypocrites out there who say they follow a religion and yet do not follow all the rules. One can be spiritual and yet not subscribe to one particular religion, in my head that works out -- but I see how to some others that may not be as feasible.

ok, wait a sec here, beh!
it seems there are 2 things here being mixed up.
first you can choose your religion after all the tought you want to give it and if there are hypocrites out there that do whatever does that mean that you have to reject religion? or is it them who you should reject?
and moreover i don't see the connection bettween this and following and subcribing to only 1 religion 100%??
please enlighten me

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe good point Andy, I guess when I say i'm spiritual but not religious I'm highlighting the fact that I do believe in the posibility of a higher being. I do partially believe in a soul and karma as well as living a rightous life, however without needing to subscribe to any one particular religion. I'm a whole hearted believer in the idea that if you subscribe to any one religion you gotta stick to it 100%. Too many hypocrites out there who say they follow a religion and yet do not follow all the rules. One can be spiritual and yet not subscribe to one particular religion, in my head that works out -- but I see how to some others that may not be as feasible.

but that doesnt even make u agnostic....

since an agnostic doubts the very existence of God/a higher power while u say u do belive theres a higher power and the idea of soul and karma...

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Originally posted by Espresso another general statment with no proof! please provide historical facts and evidence!

bah, is pretty hard but a google gave me this one:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

to clarify my problem with athiesism:
i was an athiest till 8 yrs ago and a firm one, but then i noticed that thers's an inherent problem:
Athiests criticize and doubt god's exsistence but don't question their own belief (i.e god does not exist) even though that is a dogma which they pursuit and act upon. neither they provide a way to life as religion -being the path from human beings to god- does, so you're just basically left in the air without any conclusion. they can't answer very simple questions about reason of existence, universe and life.
it's easy to criticize/doubt but it's hard to proove/provide facts about the rules that govern life and whole existence.
if you're Athiest at least be a good one and provide answers

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Originally posted by St_Andrew bah, is pretty hard but a google gave me this one: http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

see that's what i'm saying, you just quote what you've heard without doing a reseach about it and coming up with it yourself. you can't even give one example off the top of your head and not "google" it? what do "you" have to say about it yourself?
i'll check out the link though

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Originally posted by Espresso to clarify my problem with athiesism: i was an athiest till 8 yrs ago and a firm one, but then i noticed that thers's an inherent problem: Athiests criticize and doubt god's exsistence but don't question their own belief (i.e god does not exist) even though that is a dogma which they pursuit and act upon. neither they provide a way to life as religion -being the path from human beings to god- does, so you're just basically left in the air without any conclusion. they can't answer very simple questions about reason of existence, universe and life. it's easy to criticize/doubt but it's hard to proove/provide facts about the rules that govern life and whole existence. if you're Athiest at least be a good one and provide answers

andi....u amaze me at times...

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Originally posted by Espresso see that's what i'm saying, you just quote what you've heard without doing a reseach about it and coming up with it yourself. you can't even give one example off the top of your head and not "google" it? what do "you" have to say about it yourself? i'll check out the link though

haha, well i could come up with at least 10 examples easily on the top of my head! but i thought i should find some nice percentage as to more prove my point but that site at least showed that very many of our conflicts has a religious background! i have no idea if the site is biased or not, but till you have showed a lot of violent conflicts that has nothing to do with religion i will stand by my argument

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Originally posted by St_Andrew haha, well i could come up with at least 10 examples easily on the top of my head! but i thought i should find some nice percentage as to more prove my point but that site at least showed that very many of our conflicts has a religious background! i have no idea if the site is biased or not, but till you have showed a lot of violent conflicts that has nothing to do with religion i will stand by my argument

www.religioustolerance.org i find to be an excellent site .. i've been checking it out for some time and hav always found some useful..

it's very unbiased btw. juss to let ya know since u were wondering ..

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Originally posted by Espresso ok, wait a sec here, beh! it seems there are 2 things here being mixed up. first you can choose your religion after all the tought you want to give it and if there are hypocrites out there that do whatever does that mean that you have to reject religion? or is it them who you should reject? and moreover i don't see the connection bettween this and following and subcribing to only 1 religion 100%?? please enlighten me

I'm personally unwilling to go by all the rules of any one religion. My personal beliefs clash with many beliefs of - well to be honest most religions. I would find myself breaking a bunch of rules on a regular basis. Take Islam for example, if I were to say that I am Muslim, then drinking alcohol or gambling is a no no. I do both, even if they both are only to a small degree i'm still breaking the rules. Catholics believe in no sex before marriage, and so on. You can sort of understand where i'm going with this, i'd be hypocritical to say that I'm Muslim since i'm knowingly breaking the rules. I see being religious as being faithful to a set of rules that which are suppose to govern your life. The question is, I guess, can a person not subscribe to a religion and still possibly believe in a god or higher being? Whether I believe in God or not is something that is still up in the air for me, I question my own beliefs fairly often when it comes to that, that's why I don't claim to be atheist. However I reject religion on a personal level not becuase there are hypocrites out there, but becuase I would be a hypocrite if I were to say that I am religious. I do believe however that those out there who say that they are religous, and drink, or have sex before marriage are hypocrites. It comes down to the wording, I believe that if one says they're religous they should stick to it 100%. I have much respect for those people who are devout and do as they're religious says. Hope that clarifies =]

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