Well after skimming through the posts since page three, I still haven't seen any convincing arguments as to why epic trance of today is different from the stuff DJ Sammy or Lasgo or Milk Inc, etc... produces.

What I have seen are loads of ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority, and appeals to bandwagons.

Just because you don't like someone, or think they are somehow homosexual because of their arguments, doesn't mean their argument is actually false.

Just because someone says their music has property X, doesn't mean that it doesn't also have property Y.

Just because a lot of people think there's a difference between two different artists doesn't necessarily make it so.

So I ask again - what is it that separates the epic trance artists that "make it" in the commercial world, vs. the epic trance artists that don't get on a Ministry Of Sound compilation?

props to Unworldly... every post i've read of his has made perfect sense, and he bashes noone in the process *claps*

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Originally posted by auranaut Just because I am part of the oldskool, more progressive trance audience, does not mean that a track I like can't be epic trance.

You can't be oldskool and be 16, son.

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Originally posted by UWM You can't be oldskool and be 16, son.

But the music itself can be. Should I not be allowed to listen to a track just because it's 8 years old and I wasn't around at the time?

I was just giving you shit, mate.

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Originally posted by UWM I was just giving you shit, mate.

Yes, well... ...screw you.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil they're as stupid as you are since you don't know the answer, let me explain it to you. heaven is epic trance. ferry corsten makes epic dutch trance. in fact almost every one of ferry corsten's epic trance tracks are exactly the same: intro(repetitive arpeggiated bassline + repetitive treble chord and/or arpeggiated pads) breakdown(a string or two for 90 seconds, then really loud and obnoxious lead supersaw melody) body(really loud and obnoxious lead supersaw melody + note changing bassline) he might add some extra stabbing treble chords or pads at places in the track to pretend that he's being more complicated than what he really is. dj sammy - heaven (extended mix) intro(repetitive arpeggiated bassline + repetitive treble chord and/or arpeggiated pads) breakdown(a string or two for 30 seconds, then really loud and obnoxious lead supersaw melody) body(really loud and obnoxious lead supersaw melody + note changing bassline) they're the same kind of music, buddy. that is what epic trance is, that is what heaven is, and that is why they are the same musically. the only major difference is that heaven is more popular. the only slight differences are than some of ferry's tracks are better than heaven and some aren't.

Hello Radagast!

I know it is you because Radagast's name in elvish is 'Aiwendil'. Busted

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Originally posted by Aiwendil yeah...aiwendil means radagast in elvish...i see you read the popular Tolkien novels. i'm busted?

Yes. I found you out



Fair play to you for picking the name though - now can you name the other 2 wizards apart from Gandalf, Radagast and Saruman?

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hmmmm let me see...........

Why did Gandalf initially not want to go to Middle Earth to contest Sauron....

Not that tough actually...

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Originally posted by Aiwendil because he was afraid of sauron? lol you know, he didn't think he was strong enough to contest him.

yeah he was feared lol
RIght hit me with a question.

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this topic went right over my head