^ The posts you're digging up are way too ancient for me to really care anymore, but you missed the point - Rank 1 and Ferry can make whatever music they want, I just get annoyed when people think that all trance should follow their "formula", when that's not even what trance music is really about. Some of us just get sick and tired of listening to trance nublets who just had their first hit of E telling us that that's what the music actually *IS* and that it needs to sound like that in order to be "professional".

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"The channel fader should be reading -8db with just the kick playing."
ok this is some general info on db reading,
but i am courious is there any guideline about db reading of other elements (hihats,ohihats,claps...)?

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Originally posted by krivi but i am courious is there any guideline about db reading of other elements (hihats,ohihats,claps...)?

http://www.ctgmusic.com/topic.php?id=4680

Read my first post there, particularly the third paragraph. A bit ancient, but it should answer your question.

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thanx mate,
some good tips there..

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I was clinging on to that link for a few days..over a week even...wanted to try it badly...defently helpfull! thanks bro!

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Originally posted by Basil Rush Dude - I see your point here. But I've done a lot of thinking and messing around with kick drums in my time and some of them do have a pitch and sometimes that pitch is important - percussion just has harmonics that aren't as easily deducable by the brain as closely related. On the other hand I agree it's pretty unlikely you can tell what key a tracks gonna be in by the kick - although you can usually have a good guess at C or F or something with a lot of white notes, at least if I've had anything to do with it.

Anyone ever makes his own beats?? A 909 kick is nothing more than a simple sine wave going thru a pitch envelope so it has no recognizable root key.

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Originally posted by DeZmA Anyone ever makes his own beats?? A 909 kick is nothing more than a simple sine wave going thru a pitch envelope so it has no recognizable root key.

True for a 909 kick admittedly. Especially as the attack portion is a single transient so there's bugger all to get your head around there too.

All I said (was trying to say) was that pitch is important and that some percussion, including some kick drums, have pitch of some kind. And that that fundamental and harmonics in those sounds are somehow related to the track and sing nicely with it.

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This kick thread is getting boring !

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Then post something completely outrageous that will take everyone by surprise.

I'd just like to correct the folk that say percussive elements, or even kicks, don't have a pitch. Ever heard about drum tuning? Ask any halfassed drummer about it and he'll start rambling about tightening membranes while listening to a reference tone etc.

Kicks are discrete frequencies and not a broad spectrum. The effect of mallet hitting a membrane causes some fluctuation and inharmonic effects but majority of sound is both chromatic and harmonic. The only issue here is that due to the membrane effectively dampening the initial vibration of the hit, the fundamental of this vibration is swept in much the same way as is the case with synthetic 909 kicks.

However, for some reason our hearing subconceously does some kind of statistical frequency analysis and indeed atteches a pitch (a note) to that sound, despite it having no set and stable pitch. That's why for most consonant and most pleasant results, drums need to be tuned (can be to a fifth or third as well) to the key of the track with real drumming.

Kick more or less, but your snares, percussions such as congas or bongas, toms etc should be tuned. As an unperfect tuning (to a third or fifth) is acceptable it's not as demanding as it seems, you just adjust the pitch of percussive hits until they fit better for no other apparent reason.

can someone fix the tutorial then it will be able to work with Reason?