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Originally posted by paranoik0 I don't think we can objectively classify something as "cheesy". I feel it rather depends on the listener. For me a cheesy track is either made of emotions overblown to a point it doesn't sound like real emotions to me, or when I feel it tries too hard to be cool, failing at it. Both of these depend on the listener's musical taste, musical culture/experience, and opinion. It's funny and sad at the same time to see epic trance heads being so aggressive, thinking they know it all and their opinion is a fact when someone just calls their music cheese. This has been repeated over and over again here on the boards for years, yet there's always new people appearing and acting exactly like so many others have done in the past. Hey guys, most of those "others" (in which i'll include myself) ended up hating/disliking whatever they used to listen when they first arrived to this board..

fair point,
people might find my top 5 (below) cheesey, but i dont......its all a matter of opinion.....it just bugged me when several people on this thread targeted my top 5 as being cheese

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Originally posted by paranoik0 I don't think we can objectively classify something as "cheesy". I feel it rather depends on the listener. For me a cheesy track is either made of emotions overblown to a point it doesn't sound like real emotions to me, or when I feel it tries too hard to be cool, failing at it. Both of these depend on the listener's musical taste, musical culture/experience, and opinion. It's funny and sad at the same time to see epic trance heads being so aggressive, thinking they know it all and their opinion is a fact when someone just calls their music cheese. This has been repeated over and over again here on the boards for years, yet there's always new people appearing and acting exactly like so many others have done in the past. Hey guys, most of those "others" (in which i'll include myself) ended up hating/disliking whatever they used to listen when they first arrived to this board..

It's more of an unfortunate case that cheesy is associated with happy, and prog and minimal techno don't have happy vibes in them, whereas trance and also house tend to do so.

Thus people refer to them as cheesy, especially those that have become bitter over the years for some bizarre reason towards some types of EDM.

I for one still love the kind of trance that I love, have done so for almost 8 years now, but that's not to say I odnt mix/listen to/appreciate other genres, especially at the moment when current trance is rather stagnent with all the remakes and general samey sound.

But there not being that many tracks around at the moment has no impact on the tracks I love from the past, why on earth should it?

The reason I believe epic trancers, to which I admit being a part of, often get aggressive is due to the fact that it is the most picked upon genre, especially the 'Oh, you must be new to the scene, your tastes will evolve to better things and you will cast trance aside just like I and so many others did' attitude. I mean really, why should a persons musical taste be the most determining factor in how long or in depth they have been listening to EDM?

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Commercial does not equal cheesy. Many say Zombie Nation is cheese but i fuckin love it.

imo darude - sandstorm is not cheese it was just very very very overplayed, very.

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Originally posted by XRVOL Commercial does not equal cheesy. Many say Zombie Nation is cheese but i fuckin love it. imo darude - sandstorm is not cheese it was just very very very overplayed, very.

I consider both to be cheesy to me, didn't like the first time I heard regardless of how much they got played, zombie nation especially grates me, the vocal is SO bad and the main riff has they cheesy retro sound that just doesn't work for me.

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Zombie Nation live version is a bit cheesy i must admit and so is the video clip.

But the normal version is good. imo.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n It's more of an unfortunate case that cheesy is associated with happy, and prog and minimal techno don't have happy vibes in them, whereas trance and also house tend to do so.

Yeah, not having happy vibes probably is enough to save a track from being called "cheesy". However it doesn't save it from criticism. "Dull", "monotonous", "doesn't go anywhere", that's what many people call prog and minimal techno. (Not saying i agree, tho there are indeed some poor prog and techno tracks, like in every genre)

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Thus people refer to them as cheesy, especially those that have become bitter over the years for some bizarre reason towards some types of EDM. I for one still love the kind of trance that I love, have done so for almost 8 years now, but that's not to say I odnt mix/listen to/appreciate other genres, especially at the moment when current trance is rather stagnent with all the remakes and general samey sound. But there not being that many tracks around at the moment has no impact on the tracks I love from the past, why on earth should it?

Yep, you shouldn't stop listening to what you like just because it doesn't happen to be the cool thing at the moment.

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The reason I believe epic trancers, to which I admit being a part of, often get aggressive is due to the fact that it is the most picked upon genre, especially the 'Oh, you must be new to the scene, your tastes will evolve to better things and you will cast trance aside just like I and so many others did' attitude. I mean really, why should a persons musical taste be the most determining factor in how long or in depth they have been listening to EDM?

Ok i understand your point. There is indeed a preconcept on epic trancers, while many are newbies, there are some people like you that resist and keep faithful to it. However there is clearly A LOT of people that started with epic trance and got the fuck out of it not much later, so there's undoubtly a pattern there. A vicious circle of people leave trance -> people who left start saying trance isn't "cool" -> people leave it to be cool? Perhaps. However i think it's just natural to eventually get bored with it and keep the "evolution" in one's musical taste. Eventually we'll stop somewhere, or just like a little bit of everything. But this doesn't mean whatever genre people move to is superior to epic trance, or atleast it doesn't mean people who have moved are better than people who have. Now that's elitism.

Wrote too much and started going around randomly without proving any point

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Yeah, not having happy vibes probably is enough to save a track from being called "cheesy". However it doesn't save it from criticism. "Dull", "monotonous", "doesn't go anywhere", that's what many people call prog and minimal techno. (Not saying i agree, tho there are indeed some poor prog and techno tracks, like in every genre) Yep, you shouldn't stop listening to what you like just because it doesn't happen to be the cool thing at the moment. Ok i understand your point. There is indeed a preconcept on epic trancers, while many are newbies, there are some people like you that resist and keep faithful to it. However there is clearly A LOT of people that started with epic trance and got the fuck out of it not much later, so there's undoubtly a pattern there. A vicious circle of people leave trance -> people who left start saying trance isn't "cool" -> people leave it to be cool? Perhaps. However i think it's just natural to eventually get bored with it and keep the "evolution" in one's musical taste. Eventually we'll stop somewhere, or just like a little bit of everything. But this doesn't mean whatever genre people move to is superior to epic trance, or atleast it doesn't mean people who have moved are better than people who have. Now that's elitism. Wrote too much and started going around randomly without proving any point

Not at all, at least you have a proper comprehension of it all

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Hilarious. I think the biggest problem with this site, is that people seem to think the following is the lore:

Cheese = Bad

Which is a load of shite. The Prodigy's Out of Space is about as cheesy as is humanly possible: chipmunk rave vocals, a reggae sample and even "boing" sounds. None of this stops it being one of the biggest floor-fillers ever written, and being held in high regard by almost every EDM listener who knows what's he's talking about.

This thread is clogged (as they always are) with people who like to show off their e-penis by deeming any half-way hyped track as cheese, and the other kind of idiot: those who refuse to believe that what they listen to is cheesy.

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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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Speaking of 'boing' noises:

Solid Globe - Sahara

*boing boing boing-boing boing-boing*

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Hilarious. I think the biggest problem with this site, is that people seem to think the following is the lore: Cheese = Bad Which is a load of shite.

agreed. so many people have quoted me and refuted what i say but peoples opinions of "cheese" are all personal opinion. i listen to what i feel is cheese. big deal. i like it. who cares. i dont listen to dj sammy or shit like that but for actual trance artists, i listen to a few cheesy ones. funny how some people get so offended and worked up. cheese isnt necessarily a bad thing. atleast in my opinion. just means you're listening to something a bit more commercialized or with dumb vocals or a very uplifting and euphoric melody.

LMFAO...

The differentiation of opinions in this thread are amazing. I agree with some and disagree with some.


Cheese = DJ Sammy, Darude, Ian Van Dahl