I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point.

Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens.

I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

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id make it as big if not bigger than house.

and just like house - there would be many differnt sounds to trance. So there would be 100 trance nights going on everyweek in my town. (just like there is with house now)

trance wouldnt be the genre where every track sounded exactly the same except for a different melody.

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Originally posted by sshyperion I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point. Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens. I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

I agree, but to what point do u think it should go at???!?!? that's the question....

I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it... the only way i could think of doing that, would be to do what i said previously, in like, the first post of mine in this thread.

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Originally posted by Abhay I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it...

Past experiences make me say that impossible. There will always be people smelling money and jumping on it just to make some quick cash. Always.

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Trance has many different forms. My personal favourite, is the type that leans more towards the psytrance side of music, but faster. This to me is my perfect trance, and I'd make the genre 'trance' only suitable for music of that kind. Then I'd move all the existing commercial trance over to something else.

South Africa's trance scene is still very 'underground', which is nice, but it's so bad that there aren't any real clubs that play it. When I speak to people about it, they are so misconcieved about it and they think I'm talking about Gwen Stefanie or whatever. It irritates the f&*k out of me. Trance needs to be globally known for what it REALLY is; it's uniqueness and not what commercial-listeners think it is.

The Prophet - The Word Of God (New Arch Mix) is my trance.

My dislike for trance bumper stickers and ringtones has alot to do with the way EDM is treated in America. Americans love EDM, but they just don't realize it. EDM is in the background of all our commercials, we hear it when we go to the mall and walk by the abercrombie, we hear it behind our tv shows, we hear it everywhere,

except on the radio and at the parties.

It really pisses me off that trance music and most other EDM is considered by most Americans as background music that is not to be paid attention to. Way too much talent is wasted making music that goes into the background of stuff that the typical person just ignores. When someone comes along who has one of those songs on the cd, kid will recognize it but not know where it came from, until somebody chimes in, "hey is that the song from the mitsubishi commercial with the stupid bitch in the pink hat squirming in the passenger seat?"

So my previous rant about eliminating tance from the selection of background material available to marketers was mainly because I think trance music deserves much better, it deserves to be in the places where people go when they want to listen to music and not behind commercials acting as some silly trendy sound that nobody will ever really appreciate. The general masses who see your bumper sticker or hear your ringtone don't deserve to be hearing the music if they are going to just treat it as background material, you should save your need to express yourself for the people who are willing to actually listen to EDM for the joy of it instead of using it as background material, or else your just gonna be the nerdy kid who listens to songs from behind commercials.

Anyway, I would make trance available only at places where people go for the purpose of listening to music, no more of this background music crap.

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Originally posted by Abhay I agree, but to what point do u think it should go at???!?!? that's the question.... I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it... the only way i could think of doing that, would be to do what i said previously, in like, the first post of mine in this thread.

True and that's where we all begin to disagree/agree. I guess it's by noticing the social trends in people's reaction and discussion about the music being played. Sort of like getting a pulse to see how many poseurs are cropping up and how many "real" trance enjoyers are being born. But cudos on noticing that variable

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Originally posted by sshyperion I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point. Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens. I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

Ok very good points from all of u guys!But this one i think deserves a reply ,i think
1)Evolution is the key to everything!But trance would never stop evoluting if most good producers didn't leave somehow the trance scene!That type of trance we are talking it was just discontinued!The trance that exists today is something totally different which created a big flow of such trance tracks is not an evolution its a revolution to me(to a worse state of trance)
2)Liking m.i.k.e instead of Taucher ,Solar Stone instead of insigma is different tastes within trance indeed! But liking Ian Van Dahl instead of Airwave ,Lasgo instead of the (old good) tiesto is a differenet thing!Things are getting away,here we are not talking about tastes we are talking about liking something completely different,so some things I believe must get a red line..
3)If u steer it to mainstream ,more and more 'non-relevant with the original trance'producers will enter the scene (due to the more "friendly" to the non-relevant people with original trance) hype it will have ,the perception to what is trance will change due to those producers basicly because of the new ppl those producers will bring to the so called "trance scene",some pure trance producers that still exist today will destroy theirselves to follow the "trend" other will stop other will go to other scenes and trance will transformed to just a name for a music with stupid pop melodies and "cool" electronica elements and things will get worse day by day and will have nothing relevant with what many of us here tend to name trance ...Of course other things will happen too some good some bad i am sure that u will analyse them back to me though I believe the loss of the good producers will harm trance to death
Peace

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i'd bring it back to being darker, northern exposure style

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Originally posted by feidias Ok very good points from all of u guys!But this one i think deserves a reply ,i think 1)Evolution is the key to everything!But trance would never stop evoluting if most good producers didn't leave somehow the trance scene!That type of trance we are talking it was just discontinued!The trance that exists today is something totally different which created a big flow of such trance tracks is not an evolution its a revolution to me(to a worse state of trance) 2)Liking m.i.k.e instead of Taucher ,Solar Stone instead of insigma is different tastes within trance indeed! But liking Ian Van Dahl instead of Airwave ,Lasgo instead of the (old good) tiesto is a differenet thing!Things are getting away,here we are not talking about tastes we are talking about liking something completely different,so some things I believe must get a red line.. 3)If u steer it to mainstream ,more and more 'non-relevant with the original trance'producers will enter the scene (due to the more "friendly" to the non-relevant people with original trance) hype it will have ,the perception to what is trance will change due to those producers basicly because of the new ppl those producers will bring to the so called "trance scene",some pure trance producers that still exist today will destroy theirselves to follow the "trend" other will stop other will go to other scenes and trance will transformed to just a name for a music with stupid pop melodies and "cool" electronica elements and things will get worse day by day and will have nothing relevant with what many of us here tend to name trance ...Of course other things will happen too some good some bad i am sure that u will analyse them back to me though I believe the loss of the good producers will harm trance to death Peace

good points.

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Originally posted by flavdave You consider the popularity of trance to be a "serious matter?"

Heh. Word.

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