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Originally posted by 808303909 Detroit tech can very well be 'straight-up tech,' not all of it is melodic and tech-housey.

but it is straight up tech, melodic or not. in fact there was a time when 'melodic' and 'tech-house' detroit techno was the ONLY tech. why isn't that 'straight-up tech'?

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Originally posted by 808303909 At any rate, acid is a genre, so it doesn't really belong here, but according to you, minimal isn't, so there's nothing awry with posting its corresponding artists.

You're right, acid and minimal aren't genres, but acid techno and minimal techno are. And this thread is about techno.

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Acid Junkies are not techno, nor should they be regarded as such, nor is acid part and parcel of it.

You still haven't said why. And I dunno about you, but this, especially the last two tracks: http://www.juno.co.uk/products/1321...=Acid%20Junkies sure sounds like techno to me.

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Originally posted by 808303909 That's what I was getting at, and it wasn't only Detroit techno in the early days that was melodic and tech-housey. It was early techno from all over the world that may be ascribed thus.

yeah, back in 1986 when all those tech producers from around the world were putting out their bangers.

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Originally posted by 808303909 I said acid is a genre, read my post aright next time around.

It is? I thought acid was just the term used for the sound created by the 303, not a genre in itself.

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Would be more meet to say, 'they aren't strictly [acid],' methinks.

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Acid Junkies are not techno, nor should they be regarded as such, nor is acid part and parcel of it.

So, AJ make techno. Does this not qualify them for this thread just like Woody McBride, as he's not "strictly acid" either?

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Originally posted by 808303909 I said acid is a genre, read my post aright next time around. And yes, I said minimal techno is techno as I said it's a substituent of it. Although now I realise my slight blunder as I meant constituent* rather than substituent.

a genre with endless suffixes from established genres? (ones that carry no controversy)
or a prefix to many established genres?

which makes more sense?

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I wouldn't call acid a genre. It's a prefix, just like 'minimal'. An approach to producing music. In this case, using the Roland TB-303. Acid house, acid trance and acid techno, while similar, are separate genres.

I'd be interested in hearing what seperates an "acid" track from an acid house track, too.

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Originally posted by 808303909 What the fuck are you on about? Did I say 1986? Perhaps I meant 89', 90' and 91'!?

well that's not what i meant, and you quoted me when i said it, so there.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Are you trying to be facetious? Because I can provide a sample of an acid track that can only be affixed to the 'acid' genre. That is to say, it cannot be deemed acid techno, nor acid house, nor hardcore acid. It is acidcore, perhaps, which falls under the 'acid' genre, again.

no, it would fall as a prefix to hardcore.

edit: otherwise you better start using genre names such as "speed" and "happy" and "dark"....

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Originally posted by 808303909 You ought to hear more acid stuffs then, because there are decidedly a great many acid tracks which can be described as none other than 'acid.'

Care to provide some examples and explain why they are classified as just "acid"?

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No, because for the sake of relativity, Woody has made a pretty decent amount of techno, sans acid. Acid Junkies have not. But if you are adamant in your notion that they indeed should be qualified here, then let them be, for all I care.

I think they are relevant in a techno context, as they have made techno themselves, been heavily present on the techno circuit and were signed to one of the most well known techno labels around (Djax-Up Beats). Also, Stefan Robbers founded Eevo Lute. So yes, I am adamant, although I do see your point that they wouldn't be the best choice of an example of what techno really is.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Please refrain from posting anymore, as not only do you not know what acidcore is, but you're clearly a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about acid beyond the scope of Hardfloor and Rob Acid. Check your fingers next time before you type something so inconceivably ignorant.

please refrain from posting until you are able to follow a simple stream of logic.

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miss djax and her label INVENTED acid techno. lol.


i dunno about the rest of their works, but acid junkies' "figment of one's imagination" is mos. def acid techno. it sounds like it has detroit influences to me. actually kindof similar to the UR/Tresor mix of Ingator II - Skyscratch, which is also acid tech. or acid detroit tech, if you will.