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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I have to disagree here...... James Earle Jones would be the ideal voice of God.

Touche


I was just picturing him in Bruce Almighty. He did such a good job.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You put auto racing together with bowling? Maybe not in NASCAR, but in other types, the bodies of the drivers have to be in tip-top shape. People like Michael Schumacher are on very strict diets and exercising programs, to make sure they can handle those g forces for 2 hours on end. Auto racing is a sport and always will be. Bowling and poker are debatable.

autoracing is not a sport and never will be a sport

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You put auto racing together with bowling? Maybe not in NASCAR, but in other types, the bodies of the drivers have to be in tip-top shape. People like Michael Schumacher are on very strict diets and exercising programs, to make sure they can handle those g forces for 2 hours on end. Auto racing is a sport and always will be. Bowling and poker are debatable.

I agree that race car drivers need to be in good shape but that does not make them an athlete. The car is doing the work, they mearly control the car. Granted there is a lot of skill involved but it is not athletic skill. If you are going to make auto racing a sport then Playstation hockey qualifies as a sport too.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I agree that race car drivers need to be in good shape but that does not make them an athlete. The car is doing the work, they mearly control the car. Granted there is a lot of skill involved but it is not athletic skill. If you are going to make auto racing a sport then Playstation hockey qualifies as a sport too.

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According to Webster's dictionary:
a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina  	

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According to dictionary.com:
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

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Why do sports necessarily have to be athletic?

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Originally posted by TO guy Why do sports necessarily have to be athletic?

They don't IMO. Earlier I stated my (and I stress my) criteria for determining if something is a sport or a game has to do with whether or not it is derived from or based on either hunting or war. If so then it is a sport, if not it's a game. Subsequently, chess is a sport although I doubt anyone would deem it to be athletic. Golf on the otherhand would be a game although it does involve some athletic ability.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur code: According to Webster's dictionary: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina code: According to dictionary.com: A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts. Now tell me how a race car driver does not fit the definiton of an athlete. Oh, and the car is not doing the work. Both of them are. The car wouldn't go anywhere without the driver, and the driver wouldn't go anywhere without a car. It's the same as in hockey - just because it's the stick that does the scoring does not mean that the stick is doing the work - it is merely a tool of the player, just like a car is a tool of an auto racer.

Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard To me in order to qualify as a sport something must be based on either hunting or war. Subsequently, most athletic competitions are sports, chess is a sport, horse racing, target shooting, caber tossing and the like are sports, however, curling, golf, bowling, race car driving, poker and the like are not sports. I can't put my finger on why I feel this way nor am I willing to argue that it is the "correct" criteria on which to judge but it is how I view the matter.

my criteria..."chance" isn't a major component.

poker is very much a game of skill, but it's also highly reliant on chance. you either get good cards or you don't. you either score on the flop, river, etc. or you don't. Yes, how you PLAY the cards you're dealt is the point, but it's still high on chance.

and to a lesser extent...if you can be a big, fat out-of-shape bastard who'd get winded walking up 3 steps...and drink while playing...it's not a sport

Well I think there is a large degree of chance in any sport then. Take baseball, if the pitcher throws juicy, easy to hit down the middle, hanging curveballs all the time, I can win that game pretty easily, all based (really) on "chance".

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

DRIVING A CAR != BEING A RACE CAR DRIVER.

Any idiot can run, that doesn't make them a runner. I don't want to waste any more energy typing these stupid responses to your inaccurate premises, so, I'll just quote this article:

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Originally posted by Formula 1 Website Formula One drivers are some of the most highly conditioned athletes on earth, their bodies specifically adapted to the very exacting requirements of top-flight single-seater motor racing. All drivers who enter Formula One need to undergo a period of conditioning to the physical demands of the sport: no other race series on earth requires so much of its drivers in terms of stamina and endurance. The vast loadings that Formula One cars are capable of creating, anything up to a sustained 3.5 g of cornering force, for example, means drivers have to be enormously strong to be able to last for full race distances. The extreme heat found in a Formula One cockpit, especially at the hotter rounds of the championship, also puts vast strain on the body: drivers can sweat off anything up to 3kg of their body weight during the course of a race. Physical endurance is created through intensive cardio-vascular training: usually running or swimming, although some drivers prefer cycling or even roller-blading! But the unusual loadings experienced by neck and chest muscles cannot be easily replicated by conventional gym equipment, so many drivers use specially designed 'rigs' that enable them to specifically develop the muscles they will need to withstand cornering forces. Strong neck muscles are especially important, as they must support the weight of both the driver's head and his helmet under these intense loadings. Powerful arm muscles are also required to enable the car to be controlled during longer races. In terms of nutrition, most Formula One drivers control their diets in much the same way as track and field athletes, carefully regulating the amount of carbohydrate and protein that they absorb. During the race weekends proper most drivers will be seen eating pasta or other carbohydrate-rich foods to provide energy and to give the all-important stamina for the race itself. It is also vitally important that drivers take in large amounts of water before the race, even if they do not feel thirsty. Failure to do so could bring on dehydration through sweating – not surprising given that the physical endurance required to drive a Formula One race is not dissimilar to that required to run a marathon.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur DRIVING A CAR != BEING A RACE CAR DRIVER. Any idiot can run, that doesn't make them a runner. I don't want to waste any more energy typing these stupid responses to your inaccurate premises, so, I'll just quote this article:

an artical by F1 racing is hardly objective.

I accept that being a race car driver involves advanced driving skill and experience. That said, being really good at pacman requires skill and experience.... my dad was great at pacman but he ain't no athlete and pacman isn't a sport.

Neither of us is going to convince the other and really who cares.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down