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Originally posted by Zombie0915 There are techniques one can learn to use to navigate through the web and find good music while avoiding the crappy stuff. I find that it works alot like tranceaddict except on a larger scale. Each person specilizes in something that they enjoy and shares their findings with the rest of the world in the form of a blog or a podcast or something(equivalent to the cliques and alliances that form here on TA). Eventually one figures out which people share similar tastes and they help each other to find good stuff. Each person has access to different sources of music, but together when people share their finds with each other one is able to accumulate quite a healthy collection of music and minimize the amount of crap they have to filter through. It is like pop music without payola, the most quality music spreads viraly, there is a democratic process picking the best music rather than a corrupt industry controlling it all and dictating to us what we should like. I mean, I'm a whiny little bitch when it comes to finding music, I don't try very hard at all, you've probably seen the posts where people accuse me of not having enough passion for the music to bother finding any of it for myself. But if I of all people am capable of finding enjoyable music on the internet, then really there isn't much of an excuse for the rest of you who try so much harder than me and make music a larger priority in your lives. In relatively short amount of time (a couple days during my spring break), I have accumulated a list of bookmarks for sites which I feel put out good music, and when I frequent those sites they seem to be pretty consistent about their releases being good. I feel like it doesn't take a very long time for a person to get an idea of which sites are good and which ones are shitty, regardless of the site's age. One learns to avoid those free for all music upload sites quite quickly and stick to the places which specialize in good sounds. So when I read stuff like this I wonder, are you guys listening to stuff that anihilites the stuff I am finding in comparison? Am I just oblivious to the awesome stuff and stuck listening to the 90% crap music that is the butt of all these complaints? I definately agree that the ratio of qulity to shit is very poor, but I feel like it is easy to avoid the shit music if people work together, and that is really the only reason why I am even bothering with this argument, because I would like to have more people working together with me to find good music.

I understand you, but listning to the vinyl releases on juno/chemical seems to be much more productive then going to digital download sites.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 There are techniques one can learn to use to navigate through the web and find good music while avoiding the crappy stuff. I find that it works alot like tranceaddict except on a larger scale. Each person specilizes in something that they enjoy and shares their findings with the rest of the world in the form of a blog or a podcast or something(equivalent to the cliques and alliances that form here on TA). Eventually one figures out which people share similar tastes and they help each other to find good stuff. Each person has access to different sources of music, but together when people share their finds with each other one is able to accumulate quite a healthy collection of music and minimize the amount of crap they have to filter through. It is like pop music without payola, the most quality music spreads viraly, there is a democratic process picking the best music rather than a corrupt industry controlling it all and dictating to us what we should like. I mean, I'm a whiny little bitch when it comes to finding music, I don't try very hard at all, you've probably seen the posts where people accuse me of not having enough passion for the music to bother finding any of it for myself. But if I of all people am capable of finding enjoyable music on the internet, then really there isn't much of an excuse for the rest of you who try so much harder than me and make music a larger priority in your lives. In relatively short amount of time (a couple days during my spring break), I have accumulated a list of bookmarks for sites which I feel put out good music, and when I frequent those sites they seem to be pretty consistent about their releases being good. I feel like it doesn't take a very long time for a person to get an idea of which sites are good and which ones are shitty, regardless of the site's age. One learns to avoid those free for all music upload sites quite quickly and stick to the places which specialize in good sounds. So when I read stuff like this I wonder, are you guys listening to stuff that anihilites the stuff I am finding in comparison? Am I just oblivious to the awesome stuff and stuck listening to the 90% crap music that is the butt of all these complaints? I definately agree that the ratio of qulity to shit is very poor, but I feel like it is easy to avoid the shit music if people work together, and that is really the only reason why I am even bothering with this argument, because I would like to have more people working together with me to find good music.

a blog or something isn't a completely bad idea, but keep in mind people's tastes vary A LOT ("good music" is extremely subjective), making it in my opinion quite hard to run an online community very focused on certain kinds of music. i tried to do it in the past and it collapsed since with time our tastes completely went apart

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Fair enough, I proabably lean more towards this internet stuff because I enjoy the computer alot and spend alot more time on it that other people seem to be willing to . Still that doesnt prevent the sort of collaboration that I am after, you could find me good vinyl releases, I could find you good download releases, so long as people aren't assuming that everything I find sucks.

Its more a ring of blogs and stuff, everyone kinda sets up a circuit of sites they follow and that changes over time.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915

i've just listened to the tracks in your sig, here's what i think of them:

Paniq - 23 is the new 42 - alright in comparison with modern day psy, but lacking in sound design, mastering, and beat programming. (definitely subpar against physical releases)
Dave Seagrim - Trip - serious mixdown and mastering issues, the 160kbps mp3 sounds as if it's a 64kbps file if not less.
Yence - Deeper - on par with physical releases (based only on snippets, it was streaming too slow to listen to the whole thing)
ronan.dec - gleiter - lacking bass, if that's not intentional, i'd call it subpar, other than that, can't comment cause dnb isn't really my thing...
Blakkar Noir - Flowers (suite) - didnt hear, was taking too long to dl
Mind Infinity - Third Eye - same as above
SonnyJim - Suck My Disc - mastering issues, aswell as beefs with the soundwork


you say these are in a way a collection of the best digital labels have to offer (as determined by you, utillising the assistance of others' 'top picks'), and 90% of them are indeed subpar (at least by my take), which would lead to assume either you are not the best of censurers, or the digiworld doesnt have that much to offer...

would be useful to know how much time you have spent browsing that patch of the sky in total, so we'd have some proportion and could determine the effectiveness of looking in the digilabels realm.

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Well, those were all kinda found very gradually, some a couple months ago and some last week, usually in about an hour without much digging, I tend to just stumble upon them. I listen to these things through laptop speakers and a small cheap portable mp3 player, so I don't really get a good feel for the mastering. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm definately not an audiophile.

the paniq cd was made in buzz and for a non danceflor type setting, more a music compo so the tunes were all around three minutes, people were sitting down behind computers. I enjoyed the way the hats kicked in a couple minutes into the thing, maybe that has a limited appeal.

I'll take your word on trip, tiny speakers kinda distort my perspective

same with gleiter, i dont hear bass all that well on my system.

Suck My Disc was my attempt to show a less serious side, I imagine you didnt enjoy that voice at the beginning

I didn't think those selections would reveal the cheapness of my stereo and mp3 player, this has sure been a learning experience! I will go ahead and admit this stuff I chose isnt gonna rock any clubs but it is great for winamp rotation on my laptop.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 did you listen to any of those things that he linked? I found that some of them really did sound like a person spent alot of time thinking about the pieces. Occasionally I will bump into one of these internet musicians in IRC channels and stuff, and I find that they can actually be quite thoughtful people. Maybe we are just listening to different music, I am not finding formulaic tunes in the internet releases im getting nearly as much as I do in trance tunes. I guess there is no real point in trying to convince anybody, people will think whatever they want to think, but I think you guys would be surprised about the good music out there that is free to download, and I'm just trying to share the enjoyable stuff I've been finding.

What did you think to the tracks you had a listen to in them links mate? Just wondering as it's nice to have a different take on them. I'll check out the tunes in your sig like PsyT has when I have some time available, probably tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Psy-T i've just listened to the tracks in your sig, here's what i think of them: *qwam!* you say these are in a way a collection of the best digital labels have to offer (as determined by you, utillising the assistance of others' 'top picks'), and 90% of them are indeed subpar (at least by my take), which would lead to assume either you are not the best of censurers, or the digiworld doesnt have that much to offer...

those aren't from digital labels, they are from so called netlabels, there's a big difference on them. some people in this thread seem to have mixed them.
netlabels aren't really "real" labels, they are basicly just a websites putting people's (their members) tracks up there for free. i've been a part of one or two before, and there are some who have big quality control, but even that is only for the musical part and most of the netlabel releases lack in sound quality and mastering. but then those are in demoscene and most of the artist are demo artists and beginners.
digital labels on the other hand means real labels, but who only sell tracks digitally in the mp3 stores. and then there are labels like subtraxx and real music who have some other format releases too, but most of the catalogue being digital.
the third are labels who mostly put out vinyls or/and cds, but tend to release those tracks digitally aswell.

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Originally posted by isoterra i can see exactly how you mean and have questioned this many times before, but i don't see it as purely a bad thing. DJs will have far more choice, and the ones who search the hardest will be rewarded the most. i personally find it far more satisfying finding something good after searching though pages of unknown tracks, as opposed to just picking up the new awesome vinyl release everyone's talking about.

Agreed.. Didn't read the rest yet but didnt want to overlook this quote

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Originally posted by a98 those aren't from digital labels, they are from so called netlabels, there's a big difference on them. some people in this thread seem to have mixed them. netlabels aren't really "real" labels, they are basicly just a websites putting people's (their members) tracks up there for free. i've been a part of one or two before, and there are some who have big quality control, but even that is only for the musical part and most of the netlabel releases lack in sound quality and mastering. but then those are in demoscene and most of the artist are demo artists and beginners. digital labels on the other hand means real labels, but who only sell tracks digitally in the mp3 stores. and then there are labels like subtraxx and real music who have some other format releases too, but most of the catalogue being digital. the third are labels who mostly put out vinyls or/and cds, but tend to release those tracks digitally aswell.

sorry, yeah, i meant netlabels, only confused the names...

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Originally posted by a98 and most of the netlabel releases lack in sound quality and mastering. but then those are in demoscene and most of the artist are demo artists and beginners.

Netlabels have nothing to do with "demo artists and beginners". Maybe you just found the poor ones out of the roughly 500 now existing and active netlabels?

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Originally posted by Dumb_Dan Netlabels have nothing to do with "demo artists and beginners". Maybe you just found the poor ones out of the roughly 500 now existing and active netlabels?

Agreed, netlabels are more about the producers who love music than want to cash in on it. Which is what music should be, something producers should willingly share with others for free because of their passion for it. Theres no greater reward than producing and making others happy because of their music for free in my opinion.