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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, you are starting to make some more sense now, but this part is where you're still a bit off. Antibiotics can't really exterminate a specific disease because there are always thousands of people all over the world who are in various states of being infected. To exterminate a disease, you would have to have every single person in the world go through an antibotic therapy for a month or so at least. That is simply impossible to do, because a single infected individual can screw up the whole concept. This way the best we can do is to cure people with antibiotics, and if the bacteria become resistant, invent another antibiotic. But some diseases were infact exterminated completely by using antibiotics, it's just that it was a really costly, complicated, and time consuming procedure.


Bla bla bla. Basically antibiotics are not helpful, maybe you should tell the government to put them in a one giant vaccine package to inject in the younger people, but then again, the problems will not go away. Very often those same people who take anti-biotics take them again and again, meaning that they actually dont help much but making these people reliable on them, like on a drug. And you finally agree with my drug-resistant bacteria point. There's a saying: the more you put inside yourself, the more gets left behind. There's no doubt these antibiotics and drugs are having an effect on our bodies. Using them, we are in fact making these diseases harder to fight against, as we are enhancing their resistance to the drugs. And you tell me that this is a good thing?

I give them a credit for exterminating some diseases like smallpox, but those diseases are not very mutating, so it even could have been done with less powerful medicines. Newer diseases out there, genetic and contagious alike, are beyond the treatment of drugs and anti-biotics = in fact all that the medicines do is enhance these diseases. We need to refocus the campaign. How about working on preventative measures than wasting so much money on the aftermath of out mistakes? How about making our populations less packed, less polluted, with healthier food, better education to actually teach people that (it doesnt exist until maybe the college level, and even there kids are taught to sell drugs to people to make money for pharmaceutal companies).

Drugs and anti-biotics do not solve the problem. Disease is still there, and the ways that this disease is evolving hasnt been properly looked at. So until we start focusing on preventative measures and allow natural medicines to try their hand on this (natural medicines are actually banned in many places mainly because they get in the way of pharmaceutical business). Its time for multi-trillion-dollar drug companies that mave made a huge profit fromm people's suffering to step aside and let others try their hand at disease.

AAsk yourself: How did people survive from disease in earlier times, even before civilization? You think they had drugs and anti-biotics to help them? Or would it make sense that the body is not made for drugs and their damaging ways to the body that our bodies havent been made for?


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Shakka
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Originally posted by Magnetonium


Bla bla bla. Basically antibiotics are not helpful, maybe you should tell the government to put them in a one giant vaccine package to inject in the younger people, but then again, the problems will not go away. Very often those same people who take anti-biotics take them again and again, meaning that they actually dont help much but making these people reliable on them, like on a drug.


anti-biotics are not vaccines. When you take one, it doesn't start destroying all strains of a particular bacteria in the world. Of course a person is still susceptible to a new infection down the road, just as if they had not taken the anti-biotics (which no doubt sped their recovery and alleviated their symptoms). That doesn't mean the drugs "don't help much". Frankly, it doesn't mean anything. I don't understand the point you're so desperately trying to drive home.



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I give them a credit for exterminating some diseases like smallpox, but those diseases are not very mutating, so it even could have been done with less powerful medicines.


That's a pretty broad brush stroke you're using and I dare say it's not a very accurate statement. In the very least it's careless on your part to suggest one disease is somehow comparable to any and all others. What about bird flu? Recent reports speculate that it could be mutating, yet scientists haven't even developed a commercially viable, effective therapy for it yet. What about ebola? Measles? Mumps? Chicken Pox?


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Newer diseases out there, genetic and contagious alike, are beyond the treatment of drugs and anti-biotics = in fact all that the medicines do is enhance these diseases.


Just stop. Unless you have some unquestionable science that proves what you just said, you sound like you're talking out of your ass. Do you believe in evolution? If so, is it hard for you to believe that diseases evolve too?

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How about working on preventative measures than wasting so much money on the aftermath of out mistakes?


Sure. I'm all for more proactive, preventative measures. But what's this about diseases being a result of our mistakes?[/quote]

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Drugs and anti-biotics do not solve the problem. Disease is still there, and the ways that this disease is evolving hasnt been properly looked at.


No? They don't help people at all? Just because they don't eradicate worldwide incidents of disease all at once doesn't mean they are useless, or part of the problem, as you seem to imply.

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(natural medicines are actually banned in many places mainly because they get in the way of pharmaceutical business).


Again--some sources might make your case stronger.

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Its time for multi-trillion-dollar drug companies that mave made a huge profit fromm people's suffering to step aside and let others try their hand at disease.


I'm not aware of a single trillion-dollar company out there, let alone a multi-trillion dollar company. Not that it renders your point irrelevant, but you might want to stop embellishing your point with so much bullshit.

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Ask yourself: How did people survive from disease in earlier times, even before civilization? You think they had drugs and anti-biotics to help them? Or would it make sense that the body is not made for drugs and their damaging ways to the body that our bodies havent been made for?


A lot more of them died back then relative to how many die of the same diseases today. Why don't you answer that question?

Old Post May-30-2006 14:19  United States
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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada



Alright, since I see there are some people in the States here, especially the medicine pro's then explain me these facts, and why we're being lied to (medicine is actually not a fact, but something that changes all the time):

1) Corporate crime is number one crime in north america
2) bloodletting was once proven to cure most illnesses, now its considered totally ineffective.
3) margarine was considered to be much healthier than butter. now research often suggests exact opposite is true
4) chocolate and oily foods were touted to be the ause of acne. Now research suggests that they do not contribute in any way to acne
5) homosexuality was once classified as disease
6) midical doctors touted that baby formula was much better than breast milk for children. now the exact opposite is shown to be true
7) milk was recommended for coating the stomach and alleviating stomach ulsers. Now it is discouraged and has been found to aggrevate ulcers.
8) why is it: if you kill someone you go to jail. but if you make a product that kills people, you will just be slapped a fine and then maybe continue making your medicines/drugs/products.
9) Over 10,000 Americans die every year from hospital "errors"
10) medical science stated that diet had absolutely no effect on disease or illness. now wer are told that diet has a huge effect on the prevention and cause of disease
11) medical science once had scientific evidence that the removing on tonsils annd appendix improved health and should be done to vritually everyone. now the medical science has reversed that theory.
12)children with astma were told to stay in enclosed pool area because the humidity was good for the asthmatic condition. Now the research suggests that the chlorine in the air from the pools actually aggrevates and makes the asthma worse.
13) chlorine and fluorine are deadly poisions when taken in high amounts, yet they're found in most of our drinking/tap water
14) the most obvious example is that there are thousands of drugs that have been approved by FDA BECAUSE THEY WERE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to cure or prevent disease, in addition to have been touted as safe. Yet, years later, they have been pulled off the market after deaths, or have been proven to actually not cure or prevent disease as originally thought, or those drugs have had terrible side effects and turned out to be too dangerous for people to use.
15) In 1902, the people of the day believed that they knew all tgere was to know about the cure and prevention of disease. Yes they say this almost every year. Fifty years from now people will laugh at today's medicine and cry it foul for being so dead wrong.
16) scientific "facts" and medicinal "evidence" is usually accompanied by "It seems" or "It appears based on current observations and current research ..." or "I believe this to be true" bla bla bullshit.
17) therefore, there are vritually no medical facts. tHERE ARE OPNLY MEDICAL OPINIONS.
18) Surgery fails tens of thousand of North Americans every year, many of which HAVE TO HAVE SURGERY AGAIN OR SUFFER SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS AS A RESULT.
19) more people have colds, cancers, diabetes, heart disease, sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, asthma, migraine headaches, joint, neck, and back pain than ever before!!!
20) more people have fatigue, stress, anxiety, depressions, insomnia, bad skin, dandruff, acid reflux, ulcers, stomach problems than ever before
21) medical science has absolutely, as a result, 100 percent, failed in the curing and prevention of illness, sickness and disease - and thats IN UNITED STATES ALONE!!! WHERE THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY GETS IN TOUCH WITH DRUG COMPANIES TO SELL AS UCH AS 5 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DRUGS TO AVERAGE AMERICANS!!! wow, thats a lot of money. There's a reason for pharmaceutical industry being one of the most powerful industries in the world.
22) more people visit doctors than ever before, more people take prescription and non-prescription drugs, more surgeries are performed, more ... more more
23) the percentage of Americans dying from cancer today is the same that is has been in 1950, in 1971. Over 200 billion dollars have been spent on to prevent and cure cancer. Yet today you have a greater chance of getting it than EVER BEFORE. aAmericans spend over 2 trillion dollars on health care, yet American infact mortality rate is higher than 20 other developed countries.
24) American life expectancy has been the highest in the world up until 1950s. Since then, life expectancy of USA is lower that at least 15 other coutries around the world
25) the average American doctor has over 30 different prescription and non-prescription drugs in the ir cabinet. Doctors there write over 3 billion prescriptions every year!!!
26) THE ONLY REAL WINNERS in the cure and prevention of drugs are drug companies and health-care companies themselves, whose profits are at all-time high
27) who are the winners on obesity? the corporations sell diet food, diet pills, and other weight-loss paraphernelia and are making more money than before
28) a healthy person never needs to take a drug. How many of these kind of people are out there? Judging by statistics, more and more people every day take drugs, and drug companies spread out all over the globe
29) drug companies have been known to suppress information that affects their profit, or other competitor drugs, especially the natural medicine variety.
30) all publicy trade corporations (durg companies included) have a legal responsibility to their shareholders to icrease profits, its the LAW!
30) US Law states that in order to sell drugs, you need to have them approved by FDA. Natural medicines are not patented so therefore cannot be "drugs" and are illegal in USA, because you need to have a license and have your "drug" certifiable by FDA. iF YOU CLAIM TO HAVE A CURE FROM NATURAL HERB OR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED, your office will be raided with guns drawn, like in Nazi Germany, your company shut down, and you possibly in prison.
31) countless of industries have claimed that their products were safe and approved only to be shown quite the opposite much later.
32) all drugs have side-effects to them. Why is that? Is it maybe so that you would have to buy more drugs to cover those side-effects? And why is it that all that drugs do is suppress your symptoms?
33) drug companies do not want to cure people, their goal is not to cure disease. If everyone in the world has healthy, they would simply go out of business. A drug company only wants to sell more drugs




These are just some of the examples. But I bet you will just decry them as absolute non-sense.


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Old Post May-30-2006 14:50  Canada
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Shakka
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Reminds me of a line from Kingpin...

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Ishmael: "You really should try to quit Mr. Munson. They say it's bad for your heart, your lungs, it quickens the aging process."
Roy Munson: "Is that right? Who's done more research than the good people at the American Tobacco Industry? They say it's harmless. Why would they lie? If you're dead, you can't smoke."

I'm sure there are plenty of people and companies out there that have auspicious motives, however you once again paint with a very broad brush, and I think it's a tactical error on your part. While you may actually have some facts correct, you still haven't cited a single authoritative source to back up your assertions other than simply saying "Fact!".

Besides, wasn't the original topic of this threat about Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon and the government conspiracy behind it?

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NeoPhono
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Good lord, you really are insane.

Let's see some sources to your "facts."

(Here comes the "instead of answering my questions, you just try to attack me and blow holes in my story" response.)

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Magnetonium
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Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

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Oh, here's an even bigger break: I was just reading the Operation Northwoods and guess what's the big thing in it:

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.


Expain me this quoted message then, as seen on Wikipedia. Not just Allen Dulles who signed Operation Northwoods. The entire Joint Chiefs Of Staff did!!! Read the details as shown on Wikipedia. If its wasnt leaked out back then in the 1960s, they might have carried it out. Even though they only released the documents completely in 1997. JFK eventually paid with his life for standing up those as-holes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

There's mine undisptable evidence. I rest my case. No need in denying it.


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Old Post May-30-2006 15:17  Canada
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NeoPhono
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On second thought, I really don't care anymore. I realize you can just spew your crap forever and your paranoid deluisions won't be swayed by reason and logic. At first it was fun, but now it's just a complete waste of time. It's really no fun debating with the irrational or the insane. I'm just not quite sure which category you fall into.

Good luck with your life. Don't take drugs and eat your vegetables.

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Magnetonium
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Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada



Proof to my medicinal claims? Use google:

homosexuality was once classified as disease:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q...s+disease&meta=

Coporate crime:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...illion%22&meta=

Acne:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...f+acne%22&meta=

hospital errors:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...urgery%22&meta=

drug companies:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...rofits%22&meta=

AND ETC ETC. JUST USE GOOGLE. But I know you're ignorant


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Old Post May-30-2006 15:27  Canada
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Magnetonium
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I've read the articles from this results page:

http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...urgery%22&meta=

Can one of you ignorant folks explain me this? Different sources, different sites,people. Similar numbers/\\

Explain me this: http://www.nchc.org/facts/quality.shtml
Thats website for National Coalition On Health Care. Its an ORGIANIZATION. FACTS! Are you still in denial?


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Old Post May-30-2006 16:22  Canada
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