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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah. When I said "all that" I meant the experimental shit he mentioned (just for clarity).

Hawtin is just a different beast plain and simple.Some of his stuff can barely be classified as music while others are simply brilliant.He has many tracks that have a beat without really having one.It doesnt make sense...i know, but neither does Richie sometimes.Some of the tracks with harder to define beats actually have a funk and vibe of their own.
/rambling tangent.

Its not that experimental really and has been quite established for quite a long while.

right now for me i prefer 115 to 124


wow i cant believe im actually saying this

125-132

138-140

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Originally posted by Derivative Especially if you see Dutch hardcore being played out in a Dutch nightclub and see how some people attempt to dance to something this fast. Its hilarious. You get some people that basically seem to go into anaphalactic shock and just flail all over the place like a pit ninja but more spastic. Then you get the more reserved ones that stand absolutely still and put their feet together, then kind of hunch over and nod/shake (?) their head and neck really really quickly but not shuffle more than a few inches from their spot. Then there are some that kind of jog on the spot really fast with the knees up really high. I always find that funny when someone does that.

we call that 'Hakken', or 'Hakken & Zagen' ... it was very popular here in the netherlands when hardcore & gabber was very popular, lets say half till mid 90's (95-00) ... if you could 'hakken', u sometimes even got respect. its quite difficult to do it rhythmic, and its very though, you need a good condition ..

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Quoting Lucien Foort House was ooit house. Een gevoel, een scene, een stroming die recalcitrant was. Waar je 's middags in Outland Records, Basic Beat, Hotsound of Kareltje netjes op je beurt wachtte om platen te scoren die je in de nacht ging horen. Waar als Roderick & Anne Fleur gingen hockeyen, Jack stoer verklaarde: “Laat er house zijn en housemuziek werd geboren”. Waar ongelovigen toch predikten “God made me funky, and I’m glad He blessed me this way”.

126 - 136 +/-

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Originally posted by Aquarian 137-138

that fucking blows.

125-133

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129-132... (+/- 3)

128-134

130-210 Rly, depends. Of course I don't listen trance at 210, I like hardcore too. But of course this is the wrong forum for that shiat Anyway, mostly listen to 140-160 stuff now.

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Originally posted by Derivative Especially if you see Dutch hardcore being played out in a Dutch nightclub and see how some people attempt to dance to something this fast. Its hilarious. You get some people that basically seem to go into anaphalactic shock and just flail all over the place like a pit ninja but more spastic. Then you get the more reserved ones that stand absolutely still and put their feet together, then kind of hunch over and nod/shake (?) their head and neck really really quickly but not shuffle more than a few inches from their spot. Then there are some that kind of jog on the spot really fast with the knees up really high. I always find that funny when someone does that. Then you get some of the more conscienceous dancers who try to do something clever like put their foot down on every 2nd beat to try and make the music danceable, only to find it doesnt really work that well and they misstep all over when there are irregular phrases and such. Seeing it all kick off in a dingy Amsterdam blacked out room is like watching some kind of Medieval battlefield. Only the warriors are 50 or so Dutch nutcases and a couple of tourists in for the hell of it (like me ). And nobody is intentially trying to kill anyone else. Its total carnage

lol

nice description, i can quite imagine it

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro we call that 'Hakken', or 'Hakken & Zagen' ... it was very popular here in the netherlands when hardcore & gabber was very popular, lets say half till mid 90's (95-00) ... if you could 'hakken', u sometimes even got respect. its quite difficult to do it rhythmic, and its very though, you need a good condition ..

Is gabber not popular there anymore? I havent been to the Dam in a couple of years but there were still places where they would push the tempo up to something crazy. The Dutch are really unsubtle like that No messing about.

In the UK speedcore is very niche. The market for it in this country is just too small and I think its so fast and hard that most people just find it alienating and undanceable.