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Originally posted by gibbo You talk utter crap and resorting to saying 'blah blah blah' is the sign of losing an argument. If u read my post i said Rooney would have got a red anyway. That doesnt change what Ronaldo tried to do. Yes England werent good in the WC i've admitted that and i'm over it but its not even the issue. How u can insult England though is beyond me, maybe if ur team played with 20 men u might actually qualify. Like i said though the issue is how much of a cheat Ronaldo is. Why do u insist on bringing it back to how crap England are. Everyone knows we were poor at the WC so stop sounding like a broken record, like i said i'm over it and i've moved on. Not that i'm any more optimistic about Mclaren but theres fuckall i can do about it.

how can you say on the one hand that ronaldo did nothing...then create a thread immediately after the match saying how much of a **** ronaldo is?

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Originally posted by svens_bath how can you say on the one hand that ronaldo did nothing...then create a thread immediately after the match saying how much of a **** ronaldo is?

Again read my posts. I said what Ronaldo did didnt have an end result, he still did something and it was annoying. I also didnt start the thread. However its a hate Ronaldo as a cheat thread. I dont make it about England and neither has any other England fan. Its only bitter supporters who's teams dont even make it to WC's that seem to be revelling in Englands loss that make it about England at all.

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Originally posted by gibbo Again read my posts. I said what Ronaldo did didnt have an end result, he still did something and it was annoying. I also didnt start the thread. However its a hate Ronaldo as a cheat thread. I dont make it about England and neither has any other England fan. Its only bitter supporters who's teams dont even make it to WC's that seem to be revelling in Englands loss that make it about England at all.

well tell you the truth i was supporting england from the start form watching most the players week in week from club football..i just think the english fans keep making excuses everytime there beating in a match..there just not good enough as a team simple as..god they were shocking in germany bigtime.

fuck off a 'lets all wave our fists at ronaldo thread' randomly appears on TA just after the england defeat and you want me to beleive your not trying to blame ronaldo for something..aye alright then sound.

why is it that one of your own said this on page 1:

"hardly ronaldos fault, other portugese players were just as frustrating. All boils down to a shit formation & a shit performance"

he obviously read the thread the same way as me and realised that it wasnt ronaldo's fault

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Originally posted by svens_bath fuck off a 'lets all wave our fists at ronaldo thread' randomly appears on TA just after the england defeat and you want me to beleive your not trying to blame ronaldo for something..aye alright then sound. why is it that one of your own said this on page 1: "hardly ronaldos fault, other portugese players were just as frustrating. All boils down to a shit formation & a shit performance" he obviously read the thread the same way as me and realised that it wasnt ronaldo's fault

He must have the same poor eyesight, reading and interpretation skills as u then. Everyone, the germans and French included hated Ronaldo's antics. Like i said no one even mentioned England. So u believe what u like, u obviously do anyway. Its annoying that if u lose in a WC or any football game ur opinion on things doesnt matter anymore and everyone plays the bitter card. We lost because we couldnt beat Portugal and we cant take penalties. Who's denied that on the thread, no one.

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Originally posted by gibbo We lost because we couldnt beat Portugal and we cant take penalties.

well we got there in the end didnt we.

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Originally posted by svens_bath well we got there in the end didnt we.

Only because u cant read, i never denied we lost because we werent good. Look at my last 4 posts that point it out. Like beating a dead horse tbh.

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Originally posted by svens_bath well we got there in the end didnt we.

No mate. 120+ posts on, and YOU got there in the end. The rest of us were there all along.

aye no bother

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Originally posted by svens_bath aye no bother

im not done yet

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Originally posted by djgosher2023 and id say 66% of them fans booed owen h at the start of the group stages...only 'support' the team when playing good.its an known fact

The ONLY reason any England fans booed Hargreaves is because Sven insisted on bringing him on every 60minutes to a game which did not need a defensive midfielder and we never saw what he was capable of. People raved on how good is he for Bayern and the only ever time you saw him in an England shirt is coming on at 60minutes and doing fuck all.

4/5 years of that and its not hard to see why people were getting pissed. It was Sven's fault. Hargreaves finally had the chance to show us hes actually a pretty mint player. Had he been given the chance years ago none of it would have happened. The booing was more likely aimed at the general "here we go again, 60mins and Hargreaves comes on decision."

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Originally posted by Coup im not done yet The ONLY reason any England fans booed Hargreaves is because Sven insisted on bringing him on every 60minutes to a game which did not need a defensive midfielder and we never saw what he was capable of. People raved on how good is he for Bayern and the only ever time you saw him in an England shirt is coming on at 60minutes and doing fuck all. 4/5 years of that and its not hard to see why people were getting pissed. It was Sven's fault. Hargreaves finally had the chance to show us hes actually a pretty mint player. Had he been given the chance years ago none of it would have happened. The booing was more likely aimed at the general "here we go again, 60mins and Hargreaves comes on decision."

then why did the english fans boo him in there last game before going over to germany?.and it was only a friendly match.