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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That the most illogical statement I've ever heard from you. Ofcourse the root cause of a problem is relevant to the problem. Are you on crack?

but its not. the only way the root cause is relevant is if the root cause can be attended to. root cause = creation of israel. root answer therefore = destruction of israel. now we know thats not going to be the answer, so to point fingers back 60 years is irrelevant in today's modern context.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z continue to have the kind of leadership they have, and don't wake up to the fact that their leaders don't give two shits about them.

as opposed to the palestinian groups that send young men off to market strapped with explosives?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ding! Ding! Ding! That's exactly why it's ENTIRELY their fault. And No, the only people who refuse to acknowledge that are those who are ignorant of the history of the conflict, those who think the indigenous Palestinians don't have any rights, especially the right not be kicked off their own lands, those who are racist, and those who put on a false facade of \"impartiallity\" since they don't have the balls to condem anything remotely related to anything Jewish. Too bad if you can't handle this, but you fall in the last category. Get over your white guilt and stop punishing the Palestinians for it.

so, what youre saying is that if a wrong occurs then no matter how that wrong is punished and how many times, its still ok because those that started the 'fight' deserve it? therefore the citizens of nagasaki & hiroshima or dresden deserved what they got? it would be ok for native americans or aboriginal australians to go round blowing civilians to pieces?

im not debating that the creation of israel and their conduct since hasnt been the root cause of many of the problems, but israel is there now. its not going anywhere. to think differently just isnt realistic. and this is what the militants have got to understand. yes, of course the palestinians have rights (in my eyes) but those rights do not include kidnapping israeli soldiers.

again, you havent countered my statement re: is this the reward israel gets for making territory concessions?

oh, and have you read anything else ive posted in this thread? ive condemned several actions by israel, so dont lay that bullshit at my feet. i am impartial, in that i criticise both sides. but yes on this occasion the impetus for violence isnt israel, though i certainly think theyre taking things too far.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Did you read what I said? I said the \"people,\" not political/militaristic entities.

yeah, ok. i misread that. i agree.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z quote: Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN whilst israel's creation may be the original problem, you cant argue that the mess since then is entirely their fault. only israelies, palestinians & anti semites/arabs argue either side is 100% to blame. Ding! Ding! Ding! That's exactly why it's ENTIRELY their fault. And No, the only people who refuse to acknowledge that are those who are ignorant of the history of the conflict, those who think the indigenous Palestinians don't have any rights, especially the right not be kicked off their own lands, those who are racist, and those who put on a false facade of "impartiallity" since they don't have the balls to condem anything remotely related to anything Jewish. Too bad if you can't handle this, but you fall in the last category. Get over your white guilt and stop punishing the Palestinians for it.

do you not see how arbitrarily you place the begining of the conflict here? cause and effect/history did not start on the 14th of may, 1948.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan So then I guess collective punishment of Lebanese society is par for the course, even among a vast sector of society that do not like, endorse or support Hezbollah.

i didn't assert that, i only commented on the fallacy that lebanon has little to do with the hezbollah.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Do you feel this will make the Lebanese cower and get rid of Hezbollah. I am not here to debate the rights and wrongs of this conflict, there is enough to go around for both sides of the issue. We can make wordplay and spin things around in circles but the issue remains that you and i know the Lebanese government is incapable of dealing with Hezbollah that has a built up structure in Lebanon, which is a deeply fractious nation. I still ask the question why not attack Iran if they support, arm and finance Hezbollah and subsequently their actions on Israeli territory. There is little argument in that is there.

and i have no answer, as i'm uneducated on this entire issue.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Right. You took it by force. * pats ronk on the back * How legitimate.

is there any other way?

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Originally posted by ronk I think we all pretty much agree that Ahmadinejad is kinda nuts, and in my opinion his statement has no basis. he also have connections to al-qaeda as far as I know.

oh really?where is your proof? they said the same thing about Saddam before the invasion and we all know that saddam had no ties with Al quada at all.

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I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

^^ thats the reason we all laugh at your opinions in the PDD. cretin.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

praying to both Allah and God? That's a bit much innit?

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OH SHIT HIBOLLAH JUST LAUNCHED A HUNDRED ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISRAEL. FUCK ME RUNNIN!

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Originally posted by Q5echo OH SHIT HIBOLLAH JUST LAUNCHED A HUNDRED ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISRAEL. FUCK ME RUNNIN!

isn't it a bit early for that? it's only 5:30am here

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

You are such in trouble there is only one god and mohamed is his prophet. Do you relize that you just did a taboo?? Do you believe in two gods?? YOU INFIDAL!!! I spit on your hair cut!!


ha ha ha

Yeah lets pray to the gods that hell comes to the innocent people on both sides.