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Originally posted by shanny With that said, lets just leave it at that!

I'm actually interested to hear some other peoples view's before putting this baby to rest.

And no, i'm not looking for a fight

Just a response.

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I'm still waiting on opinions on what is acceptable for 'promoting'.
IE, what is fair game and what is not tacky?

House parties? (I'm guessing cottage parties fall under this)

3 TAs having fun? (wings night, or any pre meet for a dinner b/f an event?)

'Non conventional gigs'? (Global village nights?)

While I appreciate Josh's 'If it's not broken, don't try to fix it' attitude, but there seems to be enough of us not satisfied with current situation to warrant trying to find clarification. (for the betterment of the community)

Also, let's keep it civil as it as been so far.

Feel free to express your opinion but remember that personal attacks are not cool.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree I'm still waiting on opinions on what is acceptable for 'promoting'. IE, what is fair game and what is not tacky?

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Originally posted by jon jon my problem is with the excessive self-promotion, not promotion

Don't get hungup on my personal tirade on non-club venues, that rant is a bit more confusing and has more to do with some DJ's thinking they're Danny T...

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Originally posted by Floorwhore but aren't the same things happening with your 2HP radio show on a weekly basis? Shouldn't the same 'concerns' apply to non-event related threads as well?

(When I contributed to this thread I didn't talk about specific people/events/organizations. I kept the discussion broad because I don't think singling people out is the best way to have an open, mature discussion. I am going to stick to my guns are not get specific or personal.)

I don't believe the same concerns apply to non-event related threads because non-event threads are VERY different and serve VERY different purposes.

Events have special considerations that need to be known and understood (Financial, Number of Threads, Operational) and these considerations are why people have concern about event/roll-call threads and their proper use, who posts them, who bumps them, who influences them, etc.

1) Financial Considerations
- Event promoters/organizers are compensated for the events they organize/promote [compensation can be in the form of money/drinks/other benefits, etc].
- Events are affiliated with businesses (venues, production companies, etc).
- All events make money (revenue positive) for either the promoter, booker, venue, talent, bar, etc.

Non-event threads do not have financial considerations attached to them.

2) Number of Thread Considerations
- Events have 1 event thread and 1 roll call for every single event.
- Both of these threads are used throughout the week (usually every day leading up to the event date and sometimes even afterwords).
- Often promoters have multiple events per week which means multiple event threads and multiple roll calls posted.

Non-event threads are generally contained to one single thread that is generally used only when necessary or relevant.

3) Operational Considerations
- Events are live musical performances, held at some sort of venue with some sort of marketing effort associated with them.

Non-event threads do not serve the purpose to market a venue or live performance.

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I don't want to get deeper into this (and more importantly I don't want to get into individual specifics). The above considerations clearly differentiate how event threads and non-event threads are different.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore I'm actually interested to hear some other peoples view's before putting this baby to rest. And no, i'm not looking for a fight Just a response.

Fair enough, I'm going to take my own advice and start censoring this info from myself because I'm tired of this thread.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker (When I contributed to this thread I didn't talk about specific people/events/organizations. I kept the discussion broad because I don't think singling people out is the best way to have an open, mature discussion. I am going to stick to my guns are not get specific or personal.)

This in no way was a personal attack RJ, like I said I enjoy 2HP and what you bring to the TA community when it comes to this media. I was simply comparing two very similar situations, and yours happened to be quite similar to the points you had made for not following proper message board etiquite.

Though I do agree with you that parties/events are obviously different than radio shows, i do feel that with the two situations (in regards to the threads they are both mentioned in) DO follow the same practice.

This is obviously just something that we'll both have to agree to disagree on, and I hope that you do not feel I was trying to attack you or your personal business. You're a stand up guy in my books, and I was simply comparing the two situations.

In restrospect, yes - I should have just used 'radio shows' in general, and not strictly yours. For that I apologize.

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you guys remind me of politicians.

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Originally posted by jon jon Don't get hungup on my personal tirade on non-club venues, that rant is a bit more confusing and has more to do with some DJ's thinking they're Danny T...

I'm interested to hear what you consider the actions for one to take in order to portray themselves as a dj of Danny T's status.....

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Originally posted by Floorwhore This in no way was a personal attack RJ

I didn't take it as such, no worries.

What I meant by that preface is that my preferred approach is to discuss/present broad concepts, ideas and theories as they tend to pass the "blotter-test" better than specific scenarios with lots of "what if..." and "yeah, but..." retorts.

Broad concepts, ideas and theories are easier to apply (in conjunction with common sense) than lists of specific situational rules, etc.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker (When I contributed to this thread I didn't talk about specific people/events/organizations. I kept the discussion broad because I don't think singling people out is the best way to have an open, mature discussion. I am going to stick to my guns are not get specific or personal.) I don't believe the same concerns apply to non-event related threads because non-event threads are VERY different and serve VERY different purposes. Events have special considerations that need to be known and understood (Financial, Number of Threads, Operational) and these considerations are why people have concern about event/roll-call threads and their proper use, who posts them, who bumps them, who influences them, etc. 1) Financial Considerations - Event promoters/organizers are compensated for the events they organize/promote [compensation can be in the form of money/drinks/other benefits, etc]. - Events are affiliated with businesses (venues, production companies, etc). - All events make money (revenue positive) for either the promoter, booker, venue, talent, bar, etc. Non-event threads do not have financial considerations attached to them. 2) Number of Thread Considerations - Events have 1 event thread and 1 roll call for every single event. - Both of these threads are used throughout the week (usually every day leading up to the event date and sometimes even afterwords). - Often promoters have multiple events per week which means multiple event threads and multiple roll calls posted. Non-event threads are generally contained to one single thread that is generally used only when necessary or relevant. 3) Operational Considerations - Events are live musical performances, held at some sort of venue with some sort of marketing effort associated with them. Non-event threads do not serve the purpose to market a venue or live performance. ----- I don't want to get deeper into this (and more importantly I don't want to get into individual specifics). The above considerations clearly differentiate how event threads and non-event threads are different.

Interesting and well said. I knew there was going to be a response I was looking forward to reading.

Glad you responded

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Originally posted by Floorwhore I'm interested to hear what you consider the actions for one to take in order to portray themselves as a dj of Danny T's status.....

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Originally posted by jon jon The constant DJ jargon of helping to sponsor one’s “gig” or advice on which “bomb” or “gem” to drop next has gone far past exasperating. The continuous roll call hi-jacking, the non-stop “review back scratching” in order to get a future “performance”, the free guestlist passes, the live-set recordings, the location endorsement, the promotional shots, the bumping of a thread with a post bereft of any meaning, the ass kissing, the flyer artwork, the unremitting “stellar” weekly club events held in non-club locations, will the pestering ever stop?

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