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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well Yoepus, you make the second person that actually gets it.

No. The truth is far from complicated: for decades Palestinians were brutalized, kicked out, murdered by Israelis. Some of the Palestinian victims, were very angry. Instead of sitting there, waiting for rights to be granted, for damages to be paid, apologies to be issued, they decided to fight. Some of these fighters branched off in more radical wings. Eventually they took over the idle Palestinian government because they were more effective and had more progress to show for to their own people, they placed their ideologies on their people, often using their tools of violence, to fight Israeli occupation with any means. And more damage Israelis have done, the more angry and extreme these people have become. Then suicide bombings started in the 1980s in Israel. Eventually the Arab states, who were bitterly defeated, humiliated and embarrassed by Israel and America took advantage of this rising group and started giving them help. And you know the rest ...

Conclusion: Radicals were formed BECAUSE of Israel. It was their response to fight and demand rights, freedom, equality. And the longer Israel is going to withhold their rights, the more radical these radicals will become. Therefore, Israel is to be blamed for these radicals. If there was no Israeli oppression and occupation, things would have happened differently.


But you dont see that? .... because you have already chosen sides ;-)

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Originally posted by Cyrus King by your logic... the US hasnt targetted civilian iraqi's

it's not my logic

I did not say that IDF did or did not kill the girl, all I said is that there is no proof

And I'm sure 99% of them haven't. Can you say the same thing about Hamas?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well Yoepus, you make the second person that actually gets it.

LOL. How predictable.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No. The truth is far from complicated: for decades Palestinians were brutalized, kicked out, murdered by Israelis. Some of the Palestinian victims, were very angry. Instead of sitting there, waiting for rights to be granted, for damages to be paid, apologies to be issued, they decided to fight. Some of these fighters branched off in more radical wings. Eventually they took over the idle Palestinian government because they were more effective and had more progress to show for to their own people, they placed their ideologies on their people, often using their tools of violence, to fight Israeli occupation with any means. And more damage Israelis have done, the more angry and extreme these people have become. Then suicide bombings started in the 1980s in Israel. Eventually the Arab states, who were bitterly defeated, humiliated and embarrassed by Israel and America took advantage of this rising group and started giving them help. And you know the rest ... Conclusion: Radicals were formed BECAUSE of Israel. It was their response to fight and demand rights, freedom, equality. And the longer Israel is going to withhold their rights, the more radical these radicals will become. Therefore, Israel is to be blamed for these radicals. If there was no Israeli oppression and occupation, things would have happened differently. But you dont see that? .... because you have already chosen sides ;-)

Glad you are so enlightened and have such an open mind that you will change your opinion now that you learn some more facts:

Palestinians have terrorized Jews since the creation of the state of Israel and before, therefore your conclusion is wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen#Palestinians
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/plo.html
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/fed.html

I'm glad you have not chosen sides yet and can still make up your own mnid!

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Originally posted by Yoepus Glad you are so enlightened and have such an open mind that you will change your opinion now that you learn some more facts: Palestinians have terrorized Jews since the creation of the state of Israel and before, therefore your conclusion is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen#Palestinians http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/plo.html http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/fed.html I'm glad you have not chosen sides yet and can still make up your own mnid!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Glad you are so enlightened and have such an open mind that you will change your opinion now that you learn some more facts: Palestinians have terrorized Jews since the creation of the state of Israel and before, therefore your conclusion is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen#Palestinians http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/plo.html http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/fed.html I'm glad you have not chosen sides yet and can still make up your own mnid!

from your very source.

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Armed Palestinian militias known as the Fedayeen, constituted from the refugees of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, made efforts to infiltrate and strike against Israeli towns, infrastructure and citizens. The Fedayeen were based in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The Fedayeen were recruited, armed and trained mainly by the PLO.

Do you think its just a coincidence that JEws and arabs just began to fight with the growing zionist movement in the region????

LOOOOOOOOOL

you make it sound like the palestinians were killing and fighting jews becuase it was fun. Does it not strike you that the threat of a new country ontop of theirs was obviously going to cause strife?

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Having lost in battle what they could have had in the peace envisioned by the 1947 Partition Plan, Palestinian Arab terrorist groups, called "Fedayeen", began systematic raids against the Israeli civilian population. 1,300 Israelis were killed and wounded by Arab terrorists between 1949 and 1956.(1) The "Fedayeen" operated from bases located in and controlled by Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan.

This quote made me chuckle.

"HAVING LOST IN BATTLE" LOOOOOOOOOL.. sure.. lets base all land off of a battle and not follow the partition which the zionists embraced without a doubt.

What this stupid quote also forgets to mention is that there were other terrorist groups killing arabs and massacring their villages withing Israel's partition.

The Stern and Lehi and Irgun gangs caused quite a havoc amongs the arabs that were supposed to live within Israel and outside of Israel. In fact.. they did such a good job at destroying and displacing that they became the countries very own MILITARY!!!! THEY EVEN MADE THE TERRORIST LEADER THE LEADER OF THEIR NEW COUNTEY!!!


Israel is by FAR the innocent one

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Cyrus, why did you leave this part out of your argument?

"The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa’ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel."

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Glad you are so enlightened and have such an open mind that you will change your opinion now that you learn some more facts: Palestinians have terrorized Jews since the creation of the state of Israel and before, therefore your conclusion is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen#Palestinians http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/plo.html http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/fed.html I'm glad you have not chosen sides yet and can still make up your own mnid!

Now you are proving yourself to be a continuing retard. Why? First, read my previous post as to why Palestinians have became violent (some of them). Secondly, here's a quote from the first of your links:

"Armed Palestinian militias known as the Fedayeen, constituted from the refugees of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, made efforts to infiltrate and strike against Israeli towns, infrastructure and citizens. The Fedayeen were based in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The Fedayeen were recruited, armed and trained mainly by the PLO."

First of all, I acknowledge the fact that both Plestinians and Jews have killed numbers of each other, and still do today (unlike you, who thinks Palestinians are killing each other and Israelis are innocent angels). Jews killed and displaced waaaaaay more Palestinians, but anyhow:

With regards to your reply to my previous post - read the fine print - the ones you quote to have attacked Israelis are Palestinian REFUGEES OF THE 1948 WAR, or Palestinians who have suffered at the hands of occupation forces. That means that these were FORCEFULLY DISPLACED Palestinians by Israelis from THEIR OWN LAND, who instead of carrying on, pretending to be happy living in overcrowded refugee camps with bad conditions decided to fight back. I mean, only an idiot would sit in dirt-filled tent in unsanitary conditions and pretend to be happy. These people didnt wonder much if or they'll be able to move back. Once they saw that the land they were forced from was being renamed, populated by Jews, they decided to fight back. If you were forcefully and ILLEGALLY moved from your house, without ANY compensation or apology - you are not going to just nod and smile, are you? I know you already proved yourself to be the biggest idiot in the history of TA forums that I know of, but if you wish to make yourself look even more pathetic, carry on your discussion.

BTW, even United Nations acknowledges that Israeli military killed several thousand INNOCENT civilians since 2000. And thats not including Lebanese from last year. But you, the "REAL EXPERT", thinks otherwise. And the illegal forceful removal and murder of thousands of Palestinians since 1946, breaking Geneva conventions. And Jews didnot give apologies, compensation and right to exist of Palestinians ON THEIR LAND within Israel, as abided by international community. And what do they do instead? Well, Israel steals more and more Palestinian land, take most of valuable resources (water, irrigated land), illegally displacing and/or killing many Palestinians without any apologies or compensation. 700,000 Palestinians were forced from their lands between 1946-1967. While Jews suffered at hands of Nazis, they turn around and treat Palestinians like this??? And you guys say that Muslim hatred of Jews is unfounded?

To all the losers to disagree, well, all I can say is ... well, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium While Jews suffered at hands of Nazis, they turn around and treat Palestinians like this??? And you guys say that Muslim hatred of Jews is unfounded? To all the losers to disagree, well, all I can say is ... well, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.[/COLOR]

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Originally posted by Dopey Cyrus, why did you leave this part out of your argument? "The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933.

Exactly