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Scientific Fact 78 67.24%
Theory 22 18.97%
I dont care, we will die before it affects us anyway! 16 13.79%
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jackpea
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Registered: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada

Taken from the Toronto Star today...this also makes all the hottest years happen before the 1970s:

Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder

Agency roasted after Toronto blogger spots `hot years' data fumble
Aug 14, 2007 04:30 AM
DANIEL DALE
STAFF REPORTER

In the United States, the calendar year 1998 ranked as the hottest of them all – until someone checked the math.

After a Toronto skeptic tipped NASA this month to one flaw in its climate calculations, the U.S. agency ordered a full data review.

Days later, it put out a revised list of all-time hottest years. The Dust Bowl year of 1934 now ranks as hottest ever in the U.S. – not 1998.

More significantly, the agency reduced the mean U.S. "temperature anomalies" for the years 2000 to 2006 by 0.15 degrees Celsius.

NASA officials have dismissed the changes as trivial. Even the Canadian who spotted the original flaw says the revisions are "not necessarily material to climate policy."

But the revisions have been seized on by conservative Americans, including firebrand radio host Rush Limbaugh, as evidence that climate change science is unsound.

Said Limbaugh last Thursday: "What do we have here? We have proof of man-made global warming. The man-made global warming is inside NASA ... is in the scientific community with false data."

However Stephen McIntyre, who set off the uproar, described his finding as a "a micro-change. But it was kind of fun."

A former mining executive who runs the blog ClimateAudit.org, McIntyre, 59, earned attention in 2003 when he put out data challenging the so-called "hockey stick" graph depicting a spike in global temperatures.

This time, he sifted NASA's use of temperature anomalies, which measure how much warmer or colder a place is at a given time compared with its 30-year average.

Puzzled by a bizarre "jump" in the U.S. anomalies from 1999 to 2000, McIntyre discovered the data after 1999 wasn't being fractionally adjusted to allow for the times of day that readings were taken or the locations of the monitoring stations.

McIntyre emailed his finding to NASA's Goddard Institute, triggering the data review.

"They moved pretty fast on this," McIntyre said. "There must have been some long faces."


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DigiNut
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Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

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I wouldn't want you to waste any more time googling facts between posts for arguments sake.

Why would I need to search online for information that's directly relevant to my job? Is it so hard for some people to believe/understand that there are other people who actually know a few things about the energy and environmental sectors that aren't regularly printed in the mass media?

OT: Gotta love the Star's spin on it. They jump on the comments that it's a "trivial" change; sure, he said it was a trivial change to the data, but it's not a trivial change to the rankings. Imagine getting told that you were at the top of your class, winning a big award, and then finding out that there was a mistake in how your final exam and you were two percentage points off. Seems miniscule, but in a class of 500 people that's going to bump you down the rankings quite a bit.


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dan_essential
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Registered: Dec 2006
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FACT! Now stfu about it. Look @ Australia - Melbourne and its Water level; dropped by 50% in the last few years. Oh yeh, it's due to a theory that its all gone:S Deny Deny Deny


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TheDanLevy
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto, Canada

i think its a theory personally
but here is my question...even if the data was right and 1998 was the hottest year on recored (which it turns out it wasnt, it was in the 1930s when there were no suvs and megapolises and industrial output wasnt even close to today's) why is it that the hottest year on record is 1998? shouldnt it have gotten hotter over the past decade (we are almost in 2008 here) shouldnt the warmest years on record be 2006, 2005, 2004 etc?


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