There's a very stronge weaponry lobby in USA
for making rifles

its words is
“More gun control, less crime”

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Originally posted by Q5echo this man, a Holocaust survivor, was killed as he barricaded his classroom door with his body while all his students jumped out of a second story window to safety...on National Holocaust Rememberance Day. Prof. Librescu, a true hero.

although pro and anti gun lobbyists will never agree on the issue, i think it's fair to say that this dude can unanimously be regarded as a fukn superhero.

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Originally posted by Dupz although pro and anti gun lobbyists will never agree on the issue, i think it's fair to say that this dude can unanimously be regarded as a fukn superhero.

Wow, there are always some amazing stories that come out of tragedies. It's too bad a tragedy has to occur before we hear about these people. There was a professor killed that graduated from Ohio State (where I go), who had three little kids. It's unreal how wide of an impact the death of *only* 30 or so people can have on a country of 300 million.


Getting back on my soapbox; as much as this hurts, I'm still not willing to let the dark side of humanity ruin the rights and freedoms for the rest of us. For every lunatic gunman there are millions who use guns responsibly. For every rape victim there are millions of men who would never dream of doing such a thing. For every motor vehicle accident where negligence played a part, there are millions of drivers who are safe and responsible. For every drunk who beats his family, there are millions who drink responsibly.

The ultimate downside of any right or freedom is that it can be abused. The question is whether those isolated cases of abuse warrant the removal of the right or freedom from the majority. The death of the innocent is the most horrendous price to pay for that freedom, but does not merit stripping the constitution of a right this country was founded upon.

Yes, I am a Libertarian, but no, I don't think *everything* should be legal. However, I do believe many things should be legal, and foremost, that liberty should not be exchanged for security. True freedom is inherently risky but I'd argue for a truly free state filled with risk over a safe state devoid of freedom any day.

egyptian researcher and lebanese students from the victimes

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I had to lol at finding that Iraq and George Bush ended up in this thread. Can you terrorist lovers just create a 'George W. Bush is the devil and responsible for everything bad in the world' thread and go in there and circle jerk yourselves and quit polluting the other threads with that drivel?

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the liberal knee-jerk reaction to something like this is always 'we have to have more gun control, lets pass some laws'.

The problem with this is that you are assuming that criminals follow laws, which by definition, they do not. And when you pass a law and make something illegal, it makes it impossible to get right? How long have drugs been illegal in this country and how hard is it for you to get them? All it does is create a black market for the item among criminals. People who want to get a gun for something will still have no trouble getting them.

I understand that is is hard for liberals to think rationally, but please try hard here. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens will not stop crimes.

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Originally posted by XaNaX I had to lol at finding that Iraq and George Bush ended up in this thread.

i had to lol that Q brought up dems before anyone mentioned bush.

the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. yes, there's going to be backlash from the gun control lobby, but the fact that the shooter used a 9mm and a 22 cal. is going to make it hard to rekindle the assault weapon ban. If anything, the university is going to receive the flack for not responding quickly enough (utter bullshit, but wait and see).

shit like this is bound to happen, and if the student didn't have access to guns, he would have just strapped dynamite on himself or utilized some other insane mechanism of destruction. it's a shame that people like that don't just jump of bridges and have to take innocent lives with them for whatever demented reason.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Can you terrorist lovers just create a 'George W. Bush is the devil and responsible for everything bad in the world' thread and go in there and circle jerk yourselves and quit polluting the other threads with that drivel?

my new sig!!! thanks!

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag shit like this is bound to happen, and if the student didn't have access to guns, he would have just strapped dynamite on himself or utilized some other insane mechanism of destruction. it's a shame that people like that don't just jump of bridges and have to take innocent lives with them for whatever demented reason.

Exactly. Those who wish to commit crimes like this will find a way. If he had no gun he could have killed as many or more people by hopping in a truck and driving around a busy campus full of pedestrians running people down. Maybe we better ban cars too while we are at it.

So, since it's generally agreed upon (or not) that gun control cannot stop the criminals and the people who just lose their shit and shoot up a school like this guy did, what would be the reason why you hear so many stories about some dude who snapped and went on some rampage in the US?

Be it wielding a gun, car, knife, box cutter, whatever.

I know the statistics that were posted earlier in this thread don't sound as bad when listed on a per-capita basis, but shit, is it wrong to say that you hear more stories like this out of the US than other parts of the world?

I'm just asking rhetorical questions here, not trying to bash the US.

I know a lot of it has to do with gang violence perpetuated by illegal alien gangs and other pieces of shit like that (LazFX's story as example ). But what keeps driving these otherwise semi-normal people to go postal and think it's a bright fucking idea to start killing random people?

I guess for me, it's somewhat easier to have some understanding of where someone is coming from if they have a beef with someone (ex-wife, current wife's boyfriend, dude who cut you off in traffic, other gangs etc ad nauseum) but when there's no connection between the killer and the victims, it's even harder to try and comprehend.

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Originally posted by pmoisse So, since it's generally agreed upon (or not) that gun control cannot stop the criminals and the people who just lose their shit and shoot up a school like this guy did, what would be the reason why you hear so many stories about some dude who snapped and went on some rampage in the US? Be it wielding a gun, car, knife, box cutter, whatever. I know the statistics that were posted earlier in this thread don't sound as bad when listed on a per-capita basis, but shit, is it wrong to say that you hear more stories like this out of the US than other parts of the world? I'm just asking rhetorical questions here, not trying to bash the US. I know a lot of it has to do with gang violence perpetuated by illegal alien gangs and other pieces of shit like that (LazFX's story as example ). But what keeps driving these otherwise semi-normal people to go postal and think it's a bright fucking idea to start killing random people? I guess for me, it's somewhat easier to have some understanding of where someone is coming from if they have a beef with someone (ex-wife, current wife's boyfriend, dude who cut you off in traffic, other gangs etc ad nauseum) but when there's no connection between the killer and the victims, it's even harder to try and comprehend.

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Originally posted by pmoisse I know the statistics that were posted earlier in this thread don't sound as bad when listed on a per-capita basis, but shit, is it wrong to say that you hear more stories like this out of the US than other parts of the world?

World Population Statistics
Rank Country Population
1. China 1,313,973,713
2. India 1,095,351,995
3. United States 298,444,215

Two factors:
1. Population
2. The media

The US has the third largest population in the world. More people = more wackjobs.

Also, the amount of news media in the US enormous, and there is no government control. Anything that happens in any little shit town is all of the sudden broadcast all over the national news.

In China obviously the government has some control over what gets out and what doesn't but the real difference is that in China and India every village of 1000 people doesn't have three local news channels plus two or three newspapers ready to broadcast anything that happens up to their national affiliate like we have here in the US.