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Originally posted by Arbiter which we have no reason to believe is the case here.

well you knew this lady more than i did. I'm guessing you had enough observations to understand she was definitely able to cope with having her name changed to Gertude(?), albeit, picked to suit her looks.

children (especially now) are easily effect by teasing, self-image and the etc of the hardships of adolescence that can affect the developmental process of their psychology, which can leave them scarred for life (socialphobia, schizophrenia) without proper treatment to reverse/dormant their condition.
If this whole Gertude situation happened as you were both growing up, then i could just say kids are kids. But like i said, looking back and not regretting choices made in adolescent years, such as degrading someone based on their looks, in itself is just showing a non-progression(?) of maturity.
If this happened in a more adult environment (lets say the workplace amongst 20+ year old)either:
* you knew her well enough that there would be no negative consequences for changing her name (an ugly friend?)
* you and your friends just had complete disregard, expecting her to harden up if she might have had a negative fallout from it (had she been aware)

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As for the GED, I'm just trying to set achievable goals for you. But given your lack of intelligence as so transparently displayed here for us all to see, I admit even that may have been a bit of a reach.

lack of intelligence in the deeper fields of psychology, yes. I'd say this is more a matter of basic social behavior (children's psychodevelopment)and simple courteousness and respect of someone else's ambiguous psychological state. I'm sure the NAMI website or schizophrenia.com website would have some good information. I've been through shit like this in my past ("hey, lets call the shy guy a ******"), so i have ended up reading several books on mental illness in adolescents when i was in high school. It's not like people wear (or want to wear) badges that say "i am too timid to respond to your negativity"

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Hippy names are definitely one of the lowest points in recent human history where people burnt out their frontal lobes with chemicals and regressed to living like bare ass monkeys... deliberately.

Ocean
Rainbow
River
Crystal
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And anything else named after a season, fauna or flora.

I once knew someone named Okorie Okorie (Nigerian). It was funny shit at school to see teachers ask him for his first and last name the first day. They always thought he was being a wise ass. He changed it.

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Originally posted by Lilith Hippy names are definitely one of the lowest points in recent human history where people burnt out their frontal lobes with chemicals and regressed to living like bare ass monkeys... deliberately. Ocean Rainbow River Crystal Moonbeam And anything else named after a season, fauna or flora.

how about days of the week or months?

i've known a Tuesday and an April, but no Six or Seven. i guess it's only a matter of time.

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People who name their kid after food, places, cars, cities..should be shot. Unless the name is like Austin ..that's different because Austin is a REAL name unlike naming your kid "Lubbock".

April's not so bad, think you'd grow up hating life being named Monday though

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit well you knew this lady more than i did. I'm guessing you had enough observations to understand she was definitely able to cope with having her name changed to Gertude(?), albeit, picked to suit her looks.

Actually I didn't.

That Gertrude anecdote was posted by squirrelly, not myself. I'm just saying that it's a bit absurd to argue that it was wrong, on the basis of hypothetical psychological damage it might have done, when there's no evidence presented here that it did any.

That is all is rather aside from the issue of what kind of person would be so fragile as to be psychologically damaged by something as stupid and irrelevant as being called by a different name: I'm sure there are some such people, but are we really to accept that the problem is that they are called by a different name, rather than that the problem is that they were so psychologically fragile in the first place?

I think calling possible adverse effects on a person's self esteem as a result of teasing "psychological damage" trivializes the experiences and struggles of people who have been through genuinely traumatic experiences in a way which is borderline offensive. And frankly, the only reason that anyone would be so troubled by something so trivial is the absolute absence of any genuine adversity in their lives. Instead of crying and whining because a few people made a joke about how you look, or the dumb things that come out of your mouth, you should be thanking your lucky stars that you don't have any real problems, like wondering where your next meal is coming from, or where to hide if hostile guerillas storm your village, or how your family is going to afford the medicine you need which costs more than you all make in a year for a single dose.

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that calling people by derogatory names is particularly thoughtful or mature, but I have to admit I have a hard time empathizing with a bunch of spoilt little emo kids worried about what random other people who don't even really know them think about them. I mean if that's your biggest problem, you're about 6 billionth in line for deserving any empathy, you know?

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Originally posted by Arbiter Actually I didn't. That Gertrude anecdote was posted by squirrelly, not myself. I'm just saying that it's a bit absurd to argue that it was wrong, on the basis of hypothetical psychological damage it might have done, when there's no evidence presented here that it did any. That is all is rather aside from the issue of what kind of person would be so fragile as to be psychologically damaged by something as stupid and irrelevant as being called by a different name: I'm sure there are some such people, but are we really to accept that the problem is that they are called by a different name, rather than that the problem is that they were so psychologically fragile in the first place? I think calling possible adverse effects on a person's self esteem as a result of teasing "psychological damage" trivializes the experiences and struggles of people who have been through genuinely traumatic experiences in a way which is borderline offensive. And frankly, the only reason that anyone would be so troubled by something so trivial is the absolute absence of any genuine adversity in their lives. Instead of crying and whining because a few people made a joke about how you look, or the dumb things that come out of your mouth, you should be thanking your lucky stars that you don't have any real problems, like wondering where your next meal is coming from, or where to hide if hostile guerillas storm your village, or how your family is going to afford the medicine you need which costs more than you all make in a year for a single dose. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that calling people by derogatory names is particularly thoughtful or mature, but I have to admit I have a hard time empathizing with a bunch of spoilt little emo kids worried about what random other people who don't even really know them think about them. I mean if that's your biggest problem, you're about 6 billionth in line for deserving any empathy, you know?

how often is serious psychological damage caused by name calling, and not something more serious like genetics or a severly traumatic event?

the most screwed up people ive met have it run in their family. to me it seems a failure of darwinism.

the kids that get shit upon in the highschool years are generally the ones that are doing work and lead successful lives, whether they are named Gertrude or not.

i thot Gretchen sounded ugly...sorry, i have some empathy, but not enough to mention names again|

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