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Whirloop
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quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
now a haven't read much of this thread...



I think you should.


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blacknoizybox
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quote:
Originally posted by Whirloop
I think you should.

immaterial > will not affect content of my post >
hence > i shouldn't have > you failed to start a fight

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Whirloop
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quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
immaterial > will not affect content of my post >
hence > i shouldn't have > you failed to start a fight



Yeah you got me.
Shame on me for you not to read and understand the whole thread.


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quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
now a haven't read much of this thread due to its size


Did you really just quote Fight Club to support and frame your points?

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Very intelligent thread

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Whirloop
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I don't like that people here tend to go for fighting and bashing eachother instead of discussing things in peace.
It always seem to end in a flamewar


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quote:
Originally posted by Whirloop
I don't like that people here tend to go for fighting and bashing eachother instead of discussing things in peace.
It always seem to end in a flamewar


piss off with this






(just kidding)

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XaNaX
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Re: J00F comments the current state of trance

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
“That’s what trance used to mean, but now it means a cheesy vocal, an obvious breakdown and a rubbish video.”


Truth. I'm almost to the point where if a track has vocals I don't want anything to do with it

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blacknoizybox
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quote:
Originally posted by lindt
Did you really just quote Fight Club to support and frame your points?


whats your problem? if you don't agree to what I wrote why don't you just object in some polite manner rather than sound like an ape what king of silly assault was that for??

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smakmagik
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quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
rather than sound like an ape


I read that
I saw his avatar
I laughed


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RebeL9
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quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
now a haven't read much of this thread due to its size BUT please read this carefully so I can avoid being accused:

"The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club" - (c) Fight Club

everything in our life is based on stereotypes - culture is a system of stereotypes besides just the music, the so-called "art" etc.

haven't you ever noticed? - every goddamn DJ on the planet swears to god he IS the representation of the underground sound and accuses the other DJs of being cheesy, pop-sounding and working for the masses.

but what is underground??? what the fuck is it??? if you heard underground then its probably not underground because you heard it coming out of someone's basement. it's not supposed to come out of the someone's basement full of close friends on LSD (joke!). and even if it comes out and brings them money and fame they should treat it like "oh well...nice"

underground this underground that, cheesy this cheesy that - WHO THE FKUC is John 00 Fleming (and PvD, and that other guy PvD quotes..) to judge what is right and what is wrong, and how thing should be?? if he lays down that formulaic-trance-accusation then why does alot of his own production have an apparent formula behind it? ok, its not the usual buildup-uplift-breakdown-buildup-and-outtro sound but it still is all the same in many fucking ways like the bassline, the squiggly synth pads and pumping drums.. i could then bring the press-reporters to my house and declare the Mr.John 00 Fleming produced cheesy psytrance and anyways 99,999999% of all EDM is cheesy crap and what do I get out of it?? i'll tell you - FAME!!!! FAME = PR (adv.)

now returning to the stereotypes - underground IS a stereotype imposed on you and me to somehow separate this big fucking tangled bunch of music, and to earn extra benefit out of it, because by separating two apples on the store stand you can claim one is better then the other and have it sold for twice the price. underground is a new, highly efficient, futuristic-looking weapon to combat the unability to get the audience's trust anymore. that's why alot of DJs talk about it but you never really feel the difference neither hear it. it's just the same as yelling throught a loudspeaker "this planet is full of scum!! this planet, I say, is full of scum!!". award yourself a medal and seduce yourself afterwards.

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." - (c) Fight Club

and another thing i've noticed - underground as a PR-tool is not alone and is closely related to another raging steretype applied to 99% of the advertisement material (at least here in Ukraine) - it has many names - "being free", "freedom of choice", "live free", "a bright personality", "be different", "be not like everyone else", "you're special/unique/freak".

you see, the basic principles of freedom, just as the principles of pure underground, is that it is an idealistic concept which you cannot touch, cannot taste, cannot feel...because you are bound by so much things. now this may not seem much relevant to the topic, but today a lot of people are concerned whether they really fit into this new suit of a "free personality".. everyone's trying to act different just for the sake of acting different which is quite contradicting to the very essence of "freedom" because similarity whips your heels as you run from it - that is why most people are victims to their own stereotypes, which are, generaly, imposed on them by the media, and, what is the most important - for a very different purpose then most generally imagine.

even I, in some way, prove my own words by writing the whole damn thing..

peace



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blacknoizybox
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throwing shit at someone is not a very smart thing to do, you know..i still don't see any counterarguments

cool down or it may look like you are sexually frustrated

Last edited by blacknoizybox on Jul-14-2007 at 11:30

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