4 steaks in a day is definitely a lot, hahaha.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur AHAHAHAHA. Sometimes I love you. Yeah, in the same boat as Mikey probably. Although another problem is that it seems impossible for me to eat that much food every day. I simply eat to the point where I am not hungry anymore. Eating past that point becomes laborious, and to me, defeats the enjoyment of the food. Even if I somehow got 4000 calories into me in one day, the experience would be far from enjoyable, and the results of the feat marginable. Side note: I've never counted my calories (partly because I've always considered it a suitable activity for overweight, middle-aged women), so I don't actually know how many I eat in a day, but 4000 seems like a lot. I dunno what the average number of calories that people consume is - I'm probably very close to the average, maybe just under it.

once you start, it actually becomes an easy thing to do - you start remembering how many calories each food has (bread, yogurt, milk, etc etc)
Mike eats a lot and often too, he'd have snacks here and there, and pretty bulky breakfast and dinner, and cookies and milk before sleep too hehe but he's not even putting on any unwanted weight (belly fat or bum fat), nothing

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur AHAHAHAHA. Sometimes I love you. Yeah, in the same boat as Mikey probably. Although another problem is that it seems impossible for me to eat that much food every day. I simply eat to the point where I am not hungry anymore. Eating past that point becomes laborious, and to me, defeats the enjoyment of the food. Even if I somehow got 4000 calories into me in one day, the experience would be far from enjoyable, and the results of the feat marginable. Side note: I've never counted my calories (partly because I've always considered it a suitable activity for overweight, middle-aged women), so I don't actually know how many I eat in a day, but 4000 seems like a lot. I dunno what the average number of calories that people consume is - I'm probably very close to the average, maybe just under it.

That's your problem then, not enough calories. The average is about ~2000. If your metabolism really was that high then you'd eat all the time, but it is evident that you don't? This is where the working out thing comes into play. You use more energy, thus your body needs more, you eventually build muscle which in turn requires even more energy and it is the only way to gain quality weight. The last thing you wanna gain is a whole bunch of fat.

My recommendation for anyone who is underweight is to join a gym, train 3-5 days a week (if possible), and eat a whole lot and then tell me you can't gain any weight!

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Originally posted by 8Wonders My recommendation for anyone who is underweight is to join a gym, train 3-5 days a week (if possible), and eat a whole lot and then tell me you can't gain any weight!

We never said we couldn't possibly gain weight. I was arguing with your

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Except its a lot easier to gain weight than it is to lose it. There is no such thing as 'hard gainers'. It's simply a matter of intaking enough calories.

3-5 days of exercise and eating a lot is as easy for skinny people as is 3-5 days of exercise and eating a lot less for fat people.

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Related to the whole weight-gaining thing, in my last year of university, one of my buddies and I went to the gym and also studied together, and this was during the time when McDick's had the 59¢/69¢ deals (59¢ hamburgers on Wednesday, 69¢ on Sunday IIRC), and later on in the year they switched to the McDeal, which was pretty much the same thing (one of them was 2 cheeseburgers, the other was a quarter pounder). Anyway, sometime after workouts on those particular days we'd have contests to see how many burgers we could shove down. I think I once managed 13 cheeseburgers before starting to feel a little sick; he topped out at about 8.

Of course this wasn't very healthy in general, but it *was* a good source of post-workout protein, and it was just so ridiculously cheap - tell me where else you could find 8 hamburgers for under $5.

But how much weight did I actually gain from this? Over about 6 months it was maybe 5 pounds, and I was still eating a ton of regular (healthy) food on the other days. I know it surprises some people, but there are those of us who have a much harder time gaining weight than most people do losing it.

Ironically, it was earlier this year that I started working out regularly again but stopped giving a shit about calorie intake and didn't even weigh myself, I was just working out to keep active because I sit around for 8 hours at work. No protein shakes, weight gainers, supplements, any of that shit, just some Gatorade after each session, and it turned out I'd gained about 10 pounds in just over 6 months.

Seems like whether you're trying to lose or gain, the harder you try, the harder it is. I realize that this makes no sense on a scientific basis, but there doesn't seem to be any rational explanation.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur We never said we couldn't possibly gain weight. I was arguing with your 3-5 days of exercise and eating a lot is as easy for skinny people as is 3-5 days of exercise and eating a lot less for fat people.

Well actually it is more difficult for the skinny people

I made a mistake in my original statement. What I meant it's a lot tougher to gain muscle than it is to lose fat. It is difficult to gain 10lbs of lean body mass vs 10 lbs of pure fat. You can achieve one in a a week, the other no, even if you're on juice and eating like a horse.

Well, look at it this way. One requires work, the other does not (technically). To gain muscle you need to do a lot of work! To lose weight, just stop eating (although that's a terrible way to do it, but you get the point).

I should have made a distinction between 'weight' and lean muscle mass.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Related to the whole weight-gaining thing, in my last year of university, one of my buddies and I went to the gym and also studied together, and this was during the time when McDick's had the 59¢/69¢ deals (59¢ hamburgers on Wednesday, 69¢ on Sunday IIRC), and later on in the year they switched to the McDeal, which was pretty much the same thing (one of them was 2 cheeseburgers, the other was a quarter pounder). Anyway, sometime after workouts on those particular days we'd have contests to see how many burgers we could shove down. I think I once managed 13 cheeseburgers before starting to feel a little sick; he topped out at about 8. Of course this wasn't very healthy in general, but it *was* a good source of post-workout protein, and it was just so ridiculously cheap - tell me where else you could find 8 hamburgers for under $5. But how much weight did I actually gain from this? Over about 6 months it was maybe 5 pounds, and I was still eating a ton of regular (healthy) food on the other days. I know it surprises some people, but there are those of us who have a much harder time gaining weight than most people do losing it. Ironically, it was earlier this year that I started working out regularly again but stopped giving a shit about calorie intake and didn't even weigh myself, I was just working out to keep active because I sit around for 8 hours at work. No protein shakes, weight gainers, supplements, any of that shit, just some Gatorade after each session, and it turned out I'd gained about 10 pounds in just over 6 months. Seems like whether you're trying to lose or gain, the harder you try, the harder it is. I realize that this makes no sense on a scientific basis, but there doesn't seem to be any rational explanation.

I'd call downing 8 MCd's after a workout hardly a good source of protein. For one, a liquid based source of protein immediately after the workout will get you the highest rate of absorption, secondly, your body can only consume a given amount of protein at one. Your methodology was so flawed that I don't even know where to begin.

Needless to say it's not how much you eat at one sitting that matters but how much you eat throughout the entire day.

Rather than following calorie charts blindly, simply eat good source of carbs/protein/fat when you are hungry, just follow what your body is telling you. Do make sure that your protein intake is sufficient throughout the day. You can train like a maniac in the gym, but if the protein is not there, there'll be nothing for the muscle to build from.

Naturally by eating smaller portions, your body will crave calories more often. This is the most effective way to bring up your metabolism, to keep the body in constant calorie burning mode.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders What I meant it's a lot tougher to gain muscle than it is to lose fat.

Again, I think it really depends on the person because I can gain muscle VERY easily and get bulky muscles from doind simple weight training.......but the layer of chubbiness over the top?..... just stays put for what seems like forever.

..... Mind you I do weight training once or twice a week and cardio 3 times a week. bodies are weird and thats just how mine works.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Needless to say it's not how much you eat at one sitting that matters but how much you eat throughout the entire day. Naturally by eating smaller portions, your body will crave calories more often. This is the most effective way to bring up your metabolism, to keep the body in constant calorie burning mode.

This is what made me lose 40 lbs. in 4 months (with 3 hours in the gym per day, 7 days a week)

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Originally posted by fayraree This is what made me lose 40 lbs. in 4 months (with 3 hours in the gym per day, 7 days a week)

thats insane fahad!! ^^

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Again, I think it really depends on the person because I can gain muscle VERY easily and get bulky muscles from doind simple weight training.......but the layer of chubbiness over the top?..... just stays put for what seems like forever. ..... Mind you I do weight training once or twice a week and cardio 3 times a week. bodies are weird and thats just how mine works.

Well, putting on muscle is key to burn more fat. I've read that 1 lb of lean muscle mass burns 10 calories an hour (doing nothing). So do the math!

You aren't going to gain any muscle if you aren't intaking sufficient amount of protein, period. So unless your protein intake is about 1g per 1lb of body mass, you most likely didn't gain muscle but fat instead, or some muscle but largely fat.

I'd say that it is your workout regiment that could use tweaking. Weights once or twice a week is insufficient. If you do cardio only, and presumably after you've consumed a whole bunch of food, what you are really doing is just burning the food you ate rather than targetting what you really wanna be losing, which is fat. This is where a combination of weights and cardio come into play. Do weights before cardio, burning up plenty of calories, then finish off cardio, targetting the remaining energy + stored energy (fat). Slow and sustained cardio with peaks of intensity is the best approach. Do this for about 45 mins.

All this is gravy unless your diet is ON KEY. Like they say, diet is 80%. You can destroy yourself like there's no tomorrow in the gym but if you go home to pizza and burgers you really didn't do much

Cut out simple sugars and carbs and see what happens

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