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Lebezniatnikov
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I think those numbers are over-inflated. Diehard Obama supporters (and vice versa) are going to say they won't support Hillary in the general even though in all reality they would never think of voting for McCain - it makes their candidate look stronger to say that.

And I don't think anybody is saying Hillary should give up the fight - they're saying she should concede that she has lost in order to put the Party in a better position to win in November. To use another sports analogy, you don't bloody your teammate up before sending him out to fight the main event. Let the opponent do the bloodying if he can.

In any case, what looks worse - Hillary gracefully conceding she has lost, or Hillary competing to the bitter end until getting beaten into the ground? She still has a tremendous amount of power and leverage in the Democratic Party - in large part because of the millions who have indeed voted for her. But the farther she goes, the more she risks that image.


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I think those numbers are over-inflated. Diehard Obama supporters (and vice versa) are going to say they won't support Hillary in the general even though in all reality they would never think of voting for McCain - it makes their candidate look stronger to say that.

And I don't think anybody is saying Hillary should give up the fight - they're saying she should concede that she has lost in order to put the Party in a better position to win in November. To use another sports analogy, you don't bloody your teammate up before sending him out to fight the main event. Let the opponent do the bloodying if he can.

In any case, what looks worse - Hillary gracefully conceding she has lost, or Hillary competing to the bitter end until getting beaten into the ground? She still has a tremendous amount of power and leverage in the Democratic Party - in large part because of the millions who have indeed voted for her. But the farther she goes, the more she risks that image.


you really only have one shot at the presidency. most times, mccain being the exception, the first time you lose is the last chance you have. i find no fault in her fighting to the end, or obama for that matter, as long as there is a peaceful resolution at the end.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I think those numbers are over-inflated. Diehard Obama supporters (and vice versa) are going to say they won't support Hillary in the general even though in all reality they would never think of voting for McCain - it makes their candidate look stronger to say that.

And I don't think anybody is saying Hillary should give up the fight - they're saying she should concede that she has lost in order to put the Party in a better position to win in November. To use another sports analogy, you don't bloody your teammate up before sending him out to fight the main event. Let the opponent do the bloodying if he can.

In any case, what looks worse - Hillary gracefully conceding she has lost, or Hillary competing to the bitter end until getting beaten into the ground? She still has a tremendous amount of power and leverage in the Democratic Party - in large part because of the millions who have indeed voted for her. But the farther she goes, the more she risks that image.



I don't know man there's just too much for me to disagree with here, too many counts. I think we just have a fundamental differing point of view of the exact same situation, but whatever, life moves on


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you really only have one shot at the presidency. most times, mccain being the exception, the first time you lose is the last chance you have. i find no fault in her fighting to the end, or obama for that matter, as long as there is a peaceful resolution at the end.


Right - I think you guys are construing my position as diametrically opposed to yours when it isn't. I'm not arguing that Hillary needs to get out of the race asap - in the end it is her prerogative. I'm just echoing the sentiments of Dean and Pelosi in saying that I believe the result has been determined and that an end to the contest should be reached sooner rather than later in the interest of putting together the best possible campaign to beat McCain in November. In the end, Hillary is free to do as she pleases, but I think her campaign has run its course.


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Globe Staff / May 1, 2008
Barack Obama, who has been urging superdelegates leaning toward him to declare their allegiance, landed a significant haul yesterday that further trimmed Hillary Clinton's superdelegate lead a day after he repudiated his former pastor.

Two endorsements were particularly noteworthy: Baron Hill is a congressman in Indiana, which votes Tuesday, and he specifically cited Obama's disavowal Tuesday of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. And Representative Lois Capps of California, despite her long and close ties with the Clintons, said she was convinced by the Obama movement and turned off by the tone of the nomination fight.

Obama now trails Clinton by 21 superdelegates, cutting her lead in half in less than two months, according to the latest Associated Press tally. He has 243, she has 264, about 230 are undeclared, and another 60 have yet to be selected among superdelegates - the elected officials and party leaders who will almost certainly determine the Democratic nominee because neither candidate can win enough pledged delegates from the nine remaining primaries and caucuses.

Obama leads in total delegates, 1,731.5 to 1,598.5, putting him within 300 of clinching the nomination.

Senator Evan Bayh, Clinton's most notable supporter in Indiana, had urged the state's uncommitted members of Congress to wait until after the primary to endorse. Hill noted that pressure, but said "the stakes are just too high" to wait any longer.

In a statement provided by the Obama campaign, Hill said the Illinois senator's repudiation of Wright "showed me another aspect of Senator Obama's leadership - a strength of character and commitment to our nation that transcends the personal."

Capps acknowledged it wasn't an easy decision to rebuff Clinton, whom she described as "smart, dedicated, and a champion of those often underserved and forgotten."

"She has a remarkable record of achievement that inspires us all," Capps said in a statement. "And her election would fulfill a lifelong dream for so many of us who have been fighting for women's rights. She would make a great president."

But she said Obama is the best choice, citing his "proven judgment, his hopeful vision for America, and his unmatched ability to motivate millions of Americans eager for change."

The Clintons campaigned and raised money for her late husband, representative Walter Capps. When Capps died of a heart attack during his first term in 1997, Bill Clinton delivered the eulogy at his congressional memorial service. When Lois Capps ran to succeed her husband, the Clintons raised money for her as well. Laura Capps, their daughter, was a speechwriter in the Clinton White House, and is now married to Obama's spokesman.

Obama also picked up the backing yesterday of Representative Bruce Braley of Iowa, who supported John Edwards until he dropped out at the end of January.

Meanwhile, Clinton received the support of Bill George, the AFL-CIO leader in Pennsylvania, whose primary she won last week to reenergize her campaign.

"Working families in Pennsylvania overwhelmingly favored her in last week's primary, and I feel that she is our strongest candidate to carry Pennsylvania in November and win back the White House," George, a Democratic National Committee member, said in a statement provided by the Clinton campaign.

Clinton also won the endorsement of the party vice chairman in Puerto Rico, which votes on June 1. Luisette Cabaņas cited the Pennsylvania win and also said, "Her proposals for Puerto Rico, particularly those related to healthcare, are the best by far of any candidate in history."

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The gas tax holiday issue may have just changed my allegiance in the democratic race. Obama is doing exactly what we don't expect from politicians, taking a politically unpopular stance that is actually good for this counry. Hilary may have just lost another supporter for her backing of a ridiculous proposal to suspend the federal tax on gas during the summer months.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/u...29campaign.html

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quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
The gas tax holiday issue may have just changed my allegiance in the democratic race. Obama is doing exactly what we don't expect from politicians, taking a politically unpopular stance that is actually good for this counry. Hilary may have just lost another supporter for her backing of a ridiculous proposal to suspend the federal tax on gas during the summer months.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/u...29campaign.html


Yeah, that's one of the few clean breaks on issues in the race, and it was interesting to see her come down on McCain's side. I've read a few op-eds by economists saying the McCain/Clinton position is just bad policy.

I have a feeling it won't affect Joe Voter too much though.

It is, however, worth mentioning that Obama won 5 superdelegates yesterday and Hillary won 4 - not a terrible day for her on the face of it, but it does increase the percentage of delegates she needs to win from here on out to catch up.


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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Yeah, that's one of the few clean breaks on issues in the race, and it was interesting to see her come down on McCain's side. I've read a few op-eds by economists saying the McCain/Clinton position is just bad policy.

I have a feeling it won't affect Joe Voter too much though.

It is, however, worth mentioning that Obama won 5 superdelegates yesterday and Hillary won 4 - not a terrible day for her on the face of it, but it does increase the percentage of delegates she needs to win from here on out to catch up.


you are correct that it will not (but it does affect mine). unfortunately, most americans are very short-sighted and don't factor long term consequences in their decision making processes. not only is just bad policy, but it's absolutely horrible policy. Mike Bloomberg (my first choice for president) summed up the bad policy nicely: the last thing we need to do is encourage people to drive.

Edit: i don't know, maybe like obama, i'm out of touch with the middle class. well, that is since the definition of middle class became the same as the definition for being poor. i don't get why the middle class people in this country are always living paycheck-by-paycheck. i thought that was how poor people lived.

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you are correct that it will not (but it does affect mine). unfortunately, most americans are very short-sighted and don't factor long term consequences in their decision making processes. not only is just bad policy, but it's absolutely horrible policy. Mike Bloomberg (my first choice for president) summed up the bad policy nicely: the last thing we need to do is encourage people to drive.

Edit: i don't know, maybe like obama, i'm out of touch with the middle class. well, that is since the definition of middle class became the same as the definition for being poor. i don't get why the middle class people in this country are always living paycheck-by-paycheck. i thought that was how poor people lived.



I don't necessarily think the middle class is short-sighted... but I do think many are too lazy or apathetic to take the time to understand the actual policy.

If anything is evident by this race, it is that the average American voter is more interested in the he-said, she-said political maneuvering of the candidates than anything substantive.

Too often political discourse in this country goes along the following vein:
"I could never vote for Hillary, she seems like a bitch!"
"I could never vote for Obama, his pastor offended me!"

Instead of:
"I can't bring myself to vote for Hillary because her economic policy seems misguided."
"I won't vote for Obama because his healthcare plan doesn't go far enough for Americans who can't afford it."


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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I don't necessarily think the middle class is short-sighted... but I do think many are too lazy or apathetic to take the time to understand the actual policy.

If anything is evident by this race, it is that the average American voter is more interested in the he-said, she-said political maneuvering of the candidates than anything substantive.

Too often political discourse in this country goes along the following vein:
"I could never vote for Hillary, she seems like a bitch!"
"I could never vote for Obama, his pastor offended me!"

Instead of:
"I can't bring myself to vote for Hillary because her economic policy seems misguided."
"I won't vote for Obama because his healthcare plan doesn't go far enough for Americans who can't afford it."


i didn't say that middle class were short-sighted, but i do see how you could infer that from my post. while i don't disagree that americans may be too lazy to understand the actual policies, i also think americans make short-sighted decisions on a daily basis (ie., supporting the recent tax rebate, supporting low taxes with high government spending, etc...) i have too many complaints about the average american, i could go on an on for days.

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Clinton Tries Party's Patience, As Race Reaches Crossroads
By RICK KLEIN with MIKE ELMORE

May 2, 2008

Either something is beginning to rumble in the Democratic race . . . or the race is already over (and someone just forgot to tell the superdelegates).

Either the Clintons have the pull to keep the race alive for another month . . . or they've long since worn out their welcome.

Either Joe Andrew captured a critical moment with his switch . . . or he shut himself out of gainful employment for the foreseeable future.

Either the Sunday morning TV face-off between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will redefine the race . . . or it won't.

Either math is math . . . or message is message (and if so, it won't be enough to wait out the clock -- and you might blame the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for that).

Speaking of math -- the Obama campaign rolls out another former DNC chairman's endorsement on Friday: Paul Kirk, a superdelegate who led the party from 1985-1989, is coming out for Obama -- a day after Andrew's switch, an Obama campaign official tells The Note. (And don't count on that being it for the day, as the dribble continues.)

From Kirk's statement Friday morning: "It is with a great sense of pride and confidence in his leadership that I am delighted to publicly endorse Senator Barack Obama and pledge my support to him as former National Democratic Chairman and as a superdelegate. Senator Obama is the one candidate who has and will continue to expand the electorate beyond the traditional Democratic party base and bring young and new and Independent voters to the Democratic banner in November, an essential ingredient to a Democratic victory."

If Clinton, D-N.Y., can make this is a race yet, we're about to find out just how patient Democrats can be with a race that's showing signs of shredding the party. Notwithstanding moves by Andrew, Kirk, and the like, Clinton needs superdelegates to wait for her case to play out -- and then she needs an utter and total rejection of the Democratic frontrunner.

"Despite a series of trials that have put Mr. Obama on the defensive and illustrated the burdens he might carry in a fall campaign, the Obama campaign is rolling along, leaving Mrs. Clinton with dwindling options," Adam Nagourney and Carl Hulse write in The New York Times. "By and large, the group that matters most at this point -- the uncommitted superdelegates, who are likely to hold the balance of power -- still seem to view their decision the way the Obama campaign would like them to see it."

Obama is clearly still leading -- but Clinton has a bounce in her step to match her bounce in the polls.

"The Democratic nomination race is murkier than ever," USA Today's Jill Lawrence writes. "Hillary Rodham Clinton is rising in the polls while Barack Obama is gaining ground among superdelegates who will decide the winner."

Says Charlie Cook: "The delegate math couldn't look much worse for Clinton, but the current political dynamics are just horrific for Obama."

The AP's take: "Despite the momentum building behind Clinton after her win in Pennsylvania, it still appeared mathematically impossible for her to overcome Obama's delegate lead for the party nomination. . . . Regardless, Clinton appeared to be gaining strength among voters, especially the white working-class which has reacted negatively Obama's association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

Clinton brought a defiant tone to her answers Thursday, her rejection by Andrew and slippage among supers notwithstanding. "I think this has been good for the Democratic Party," Clinton told Cynthia McFadden on ABC's "Nightline" (offering what may be becoming a minority opinion). "I think that this is such a close election, why would any of us think that it shouldn't go to the end?"

She also said that her husband won't have a West Wing office in her administration, and flatly rejected any comparison between Obama '08 and Clinton '92. "No. No, not at all," she said.

"I give [Obama] great credit for running a really successful campaign and doing a wonderful job, and inspiring people. But when Bill ran in '92, he was the longest-serving governor in America. He'd actually solved a lot of problems. He had immersed himself in the issues and had very specific ideas about what he would do as president. So he wasn't just giving speeches; he was offering very specific solutions to the problems that he thought America faced."

Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe debated Andrew on what should happen next on Friday's "Good Morning America," with McAuliffe telling ABC's Robin Roberts that it's important to remember that neither candidate can win without the support of superdelegates.

He urged them to wait for the "morning of June 4" to make up their minds, by which time, McAuliffe said, "We will be ahead in the popular vote. It will be very close in the delegates."

Andrew countered that Obama will be ahead in votes, delegates, and states won: "We know that result today, we know what the result is going to be at the end of this process as well," he said. "What we need to do is make sure that we don't do the Republicans' work for them, and that's exactly what's happening right now."

The Andrew switch matters less for the votes he controls than the sentiments he speaks to. "I have been inspired," he said in announcing his support for Obama, and urging his fellow superdelegates to end the campaign.

What does this say about the Clintons' reputation? Andrew told ABC's Jake Tapper that he anticipates the Clinton campaign "will use the same words and the same language to attack me that Republicans used to attack me when I was DNC chair and I was defending Bill Clinton."

Per the Chicago Tribune's Rick Pearson and John McCormick, Andrew is now "a leading voice among top Democrats who have expressed fears that the longer the nominating process continues, the more divisive it will become."

One must marvel at the Obama campaign's ability to shape the storyline with just a peppering of endorsements, as the candidate moves beyond Part Two of the Wright affair, even as polls show the story taking its toll.

"His poll margins may be shrinking, but Barack Obama maintained his delegate momentum Thursday as former Democratic National Committee chairman Joe Andrew abandoned Hillary Clinton," Thomas M. DeFrank writes in the New York Daily News. "The Andrew defection was particularly embarrassing to Clinton, whom he had enthusiastically endorsed, because he was tapped to run the DNC by then-President Bill Clinton in 1999."

New polls again show it tight -- with Obama slipping: CNN/Opinion Research has it Obama 46, Clinton 45; Pew has it Obama 47, Clinton 45.

"Clinton has widened her lead in Indiana, cut Obama's edge in North Carolina down to 7 points and lurched ahead in a major national poll, following a week of wall-to-wall coverage of controversial remarks by Obama's ex-pastor," Newsday's Glenn Thrush writes.

Another Indiana boost for Clinton on Friday: She grabs the endorsement of the Indianapolis Star. "As impressive as Obama appears, he is still in his first term in the U.S. Senate, and only four years ago was serving as an Illinois state senator. His inexperience in high office is a liability," the endorsement reads. "Clinton, in contrast, is well prepared for the rigors of the White House. She is tough, experienced and realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished on the world stage."

And there's only one Evan Bayh in Indiana (just like there was only one Ted Strickland in Ohio, and one Ed Rendell in Pennsylvania): "It is now Bayh's turn to play kingmaker," Scott Helman writes in The Boston Globe. "And though it is unclear whether he can deliver as successfully, in public and behind the scenes, he has been using his name, his political muscle, and his instantly recognizable face to draw Hoosiers to Clinton's cause."

But Bayh is taking hits -- with Democrats including Andrew and Rep. Baron Hill, D-Ind., taking part in the "Stick-It-To-Evan-Bayh tour," Matthew Tully writes in the Indianapolis Tribune.

The scramble in the polls scrambles the expectations game in the next states up -- and expect the unexpected. "Determining the victor in Tuesday's presidential nominating contest in Indiana could very well be left to that most elusive of Democratic primary voter: the Republican," Christopher Cooper writes in The Wall Street Journal. "A confluence of unusual political events has Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton looking for traction in districts often ignored by Democrats in this deep red state."

The push is on in North Carolina, with both candidates addressing the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner Friday night in Raleigh. "The candidates' statewide organizations are working at a frenzied pace, deploying surrogates, holding community meetings, and working to get voters to the polls in the final days of early voting, which ends Saturday," James Romoser write in the Winston-Salem Journal.

They're fighting it out over the gas tax -- and arguing over polls. "Clinton advisers also argued that, while hypothetical general-election polls may shift, the new findings reflect an important change in the campaign, namely that the economy is now a far more important issue than it was at the beginning of the race and is likely to remain so," Dan Balz and Peter Slevin write in The Washington Post. "Clinton, they said, has demonstrated repeatedly that she does better than Obama among voters who cite the economy as the nation's most important issue."

Don't forget about the other side of the Bill factor: "While Bill Clinton's gaffes have been frequently spotlighted in the national media, he appears to be building good will among rural voters, who are vital to keeping his wife's campaign alive," Susan Milligan writes in The Boston Globe. "And although Clinton's rock star appeal may have faded since his own candidate days, the 11 small communities he visited in North Carolina this week were thrilled to have a political celebrity in their midst."

Worth considering if you're a super-d? "Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November," McClatchy's David Lightman writes.

It's a hushed version of Obama on the trail: "As he tries to navigate beyond one of his roughest patches in the long Democratic nominating fight, Mr. Obama did not retreat to the comforts of super-size rallies that have defined his presidential bid, with their lofty oratory," The New York Times' Jeff Zeleny writes. "Mr. Obama's appearances resembled the early days of a campaign for the White House, unfolding throughout the day as a rolling introductory tour, absent much presidential glamour."

Yet -- there's a remarkable consistency in the Obama campaign, as a Washington Post profile of David Axelrod makes clear. Says Axelrod (not gloating, but close): "Seven months ago I was spending a lot of time talking to guys like you who basically would tell me you're 30 points behind in the national polls, she seems almost unbeatable," he says. "Mark Penn [then Clinton's chief strategist] was declaring victory. And we placed our bet on the American people. And now we've won twice as many primaries and caucuses, and I think we're in a very strong position. That's because there is a hunger for something different, and I think Barack represents that."

Politico's John F. Harris and Jim VandeHei have the read-out on what Obama won't say to win: "Thrown off his game by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright uproar, Barack Obama's strongest answer to Hillary Rodham Clinton is one he won't give: Senator, do you really want to get in a contest with me over who has more unsavory personal associations?"

It's not Lincoln-Douglas, but we can't recall a showdown quite like this. Obama claims the full hour on NBC's "Meet the Press," while Clinton will be on for the full hour on ABC's "This Week," with George Stephanopoulos live with audience participation in Indianapolis Sunday morning.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Thursday that he thought the "Mission Accomplished" banner "was wrong at the time." But in June 2003, he had a different answer, ABC's Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib report: "McCain pointed to the banner to bolster his contention that major conflict had ended in Iraq and that it was appropriate for the Senate Armed Services Committee to hold post-conflict hearings," they write. Said McCain, when told by an interviewer that "many argue the conflict isn't over": "Then why was there a banner that said 'mission accomplished' on the aircraft carrier?"

McCain got into a bit of a sparring session with a potential running mate, Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn. Pawlenty "distanced himself" from McCain's contention that the deadly bridge collapse in Minnesota was the result of wasteful spending elsewhere, per the Los Angeles Times' Maeve Reston.

McCain, on Thursday: "Do I know specifically whether it would have replaced that bridge in Minneapolis? No, but I know that funding would have been available for higher-priority projects."

McCain is looking to his right, USA Today's David Jackson reports. "After courting traditionally Democratic voters, Republican John McCain will tend to his conservative roots for a new round of voter outreach," Jackson writes. "The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has scheduled speeches on judges and gun rights -- two issues that have fueled the success of conservative candidates going back to Ronald Reagan."

Or maybe it's the moderates that matter: "Faced with a crumbling Republican Party image, Sen. John McCain is gambling on a general-election strategy that relies on winning over conservative Democrats and independents, breaking with President Bush's 2000 and 2004 game plan of focusing on the party's core voters," Ralph Z. Hallow and Stephen Dinan report in the Washington Times.

Obama starts his day with a 9:10 am ET press conference in Indianapolis -- with an opening statement on the economy, and then campaigns in Indiana and North Carolina.

Clinton spends her day in North Carolina -- where both she and Obama do the J-J dinner Friday night. They get to do it all over again Sunday night in Indianapolis, for Indiana's J-J.

McCain campaigns in Denver, while President Bush talks about the economy in Missouri.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheN...=3105288&page=1

A second former DNC chair endorsed Obama today. I think it's also fairly clear where Dean sits on the issue.


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I think Hillary has really fucked herself here by dragging this out. Every day she remains in the race is another day that the divide between Clinton democrats and Obama democrats widens. I have heard from more than a few people that if their candidate doesn't win the nomination they will not vote at all in the election. Obama will get the nomination eventually, but if Hillary drags this out to the convention I think she will have killed any chance Obama had at winning the election by then. Democrats will be divided by months of infighting for the candidate they favored and while I don't see Clinton backers running off to vote for McCain but I can see the scenario where they just flat out refuse to vote (as a few people have already indicated to me) which is going to hurt Obama just as much.

When it was clear she wasn't going to win the nomination she had two choices of action:

1. Withdraw and endorse Obama, uniting democrats and allowing his campaign to focus on McCain. If Obama looses the election Hillary has a good chance at getting the nomination in 2012 because Obama won't get a second chance and her withdrawal would have built her up in the party because she did what was right for the democratic party in 2008. If he wins, she is on point in 2016.

2. Refuse to admit defeat and drag things out till the convention hoping for some superdelegate miracle. Even if she got the nomination at this point she would lose the election because Obama democrats would feel robbed and at least some woudln't support her, not to mention that Republicans would come out in droves to vote against her. When Obama gets the nod at the convention but then loses the election Hillary is up shit creek without a paddle in 2012 because her party isn't going to forget what she did to them in 2008 and won't even think about giving her the nomination.

Whoever her advisers are, they pointed her in the direction of the wrong choice

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