I chose them fairly randomly, not really in the mood to meticulously trawl the thread.

I think you should be careful when you say things like "it was a tragedy for Americans" and "he showed zero respect for American TAs". As you will know, NYC is renowned for being a multicultural city. People from many nations died in the attacks. I can understand your anger, I can't say I know how you feel, but please remember that in those statements, it would certainly seem arrogant, ignorant, and even offensive to a foreigner who lost a loved one, who might read that. If you know how that feels, then why risk giving that feeling to someone else?

The statements about albania, yugoslavia, macedonia, and this whole talk about " the europeans" is disturbing because people should really know about this stuff. There are near 50 countries in Europe, with different languages, cultures, practices, regimes, with hundreds of millions of people. Generalising about Europe is just as bad as generalising about how "Americans" feel. There is no single American viewpoint, 300 million people do not have the same view.

The comments about WW2 are disturbing because they show an ignorance, but not just that, it is boasting about things which aren't true. Britain was on it's last legs. Some American historians would like to preach all this sword of freedom and heart of liberty nonsense, but there is a simple fact, for 2 years Britain faced invasion, our capital and entire eastern coast was being pounded by the Luftwaffe, and the US sat by and watched us get destroyed. Whose to say the US would ever have helped Britain if it weren't for Pearl harbour? Unlikely. The US would probably have let Britain, a good friend and valuable trading link, get destroyed. This sword of freedom stuff feels very weak when the US virtually let Britain get demolished. In the battle of britain, we won a seriously ill equipped and outnumbered airiel battle for our lives, a whole year before the US got involved. Who was their to "save our ass"? Secondly, American help came at a MASSIVE cost, and most of that has been paid back in various forms (UK mainland airbases outside the destroyer-airbase deal, billions in reverse lend-lease, 50 years of annual repayments), our govt was still paying the US govt in the 1990s, yet British help over Kosovo, Iraq etc is supposed to be free?

If the US is the great saviour of freedom, why did it sit around while the last bastions of democracy in Europe were being pounded by Nazi bombers?

Last edited by evil_bastard on Jun-17-2002 at 05:14

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Originally posted by evil_bastard I chose them fairly randomly, not really in the mood to meticulously trawl the thread. I think you should be careful when you say things like "it was a tragedy for Americans" and "he showed zero respect for American TAs". As you will know, NYC is renowned for being a multicultural city. People from many nations died in the attacks. I can understand your anger, I can't say I know how you feel, but please remember that in those statements, it would certainly seem arrogant, ignorant, and even offensive to a foreigner who lost a loved one, who might read that. If you know how that feels, then why risk giving that feeling to someone else? The statements about albania, yugoslavia, macedonia, and this whole talk about " the europeans" is disturbing because people should really know about this stuff. There are near 50 countries in Europe, with different languages, cultures, practices, regimes, with hundreds of millions of people. Generalising about Europe is just as bad as generalising about how "Americans" feel. There is no single American viewpoint, 300 million people do not have the same view. The comments about WW2 are disturbing because they show an ignorance, but not just that, it is boasting about things which aren't true. Britain was on it's last legs. Some American historians would like to preach all this sword of freedom and heart of liberty nonsense, but there is a simple fact, for 2 years Britain faced invasion, our capital and entire eastern coast was being pounded by the Luftwaffe, and the US sat by and watched us get destroyed. Whose to say the US would ever have helped Britain if it weren't for Pearl harbour? Unlikely. The US would probably have let Britain get destroyed. This sword of freedom stuff feels very weak when the US virtually let Britain get demolished. In the battle of britain, we won a seriously ill equipped and outnumbered airiel battle for our lives, a whole year before the US got involved. Who was their to "save our ass"? Secondly, American help came at a MASSIVE cost, and most of that has been paid back in various forms, our govt was still paying the US govt in the 1990s, yet British help over Kosovo, Iraq etc is supposed to be free?

ok your right..i am wrong for saying ONLY Americans...however it was an attack on America...so thats why i was meaning...but your right...

as far as WW2..i neva said anything about that so u didnt quote me on that matter..

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Thanks for a level headed response, I can see it is a topic close to your heart, but if you want others to be delicate about how they phrase things, you must do the same.

There have been quite a few rash things said in this thread, but the original topic is quite interesting.

Does anyone know if these trance tunes are for charity, or are the artists making profit from their 'tributes'?

why can't the average, lame, non involved, non willing to think and learn person on this thread just shut up IN RESPECT OF THE DEAD!

I knew people who died because of this and it's not a laughing matter.

My sister was also supposed to be there but she ran late on schedule thank God!
and last saturday she got married .... wouldn't have wanted to be separated from her for nothing, and it seems as if some people on here think the USAs suffering was justified let alone the destruction of it's future!

Screw all of your lame non compassionate people!

I am american and french, I don't take sides, and don't support 100% the USAs actions so don't start flaming me under the pretext I am american or that would be the cruelest and most heartless behavior as can be !

Paul van Dyk - Soundgarden 13-09-2001 , anyone got it? COME ON ! CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THE QUESTION AND COME BACK ON TRACK CONCERNING WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT

More importantly, if it was a tribute, was it for charity?

For me a tribute is when you give something. Doing a song for profit is recieving something. There's a world of difference.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard More importantly, if it was a tribute, was it for charity? For me a tribute is when you give something. Doing a song for profit is recieving something. There's a world of difference.

well on the trancey techno music side there hasn't been any funds taken from dedicated projects just to help the relief fund? or as they ? correct me if I am wrong on that.


on the other hand there were other more pop, rock, and what not, peeps who made some stuff to give procedes to the relief fund.

One thing we saw on this thread, and that is similar to the way trance djs and producers interact, it that we don't colaborate; or at least not as easilly as rock musicians would.