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Originally posted by The17sss No, I'm saying I don't know yet if I can say it was justified... there's a difference. I guess I'm just a depraved person with a black heart and no soul. Edit: In the beginning I wasn't thinking "fuck yeah! Get that Iraqi ass! I don't know if this is a good idea, but I sure hope it works out."

So you admit we went to war and you don't know yet if it was a good idea.

Does that sound like war as a last resort?

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

Uh, yes, I admit we went to war. Yes I admit that I still don't know if it was a good idea. And?

My thing is that we are there now, and of course I'd like is to be out of there, but I'd like to leave victorious and take the responsibility NOT to leave thigs in shambles and walk out the door like we did in vietnam. I don't recall bring up the "war as a last resort" thing.. that was you or someone else.

Let me ask you, in all honesty... do you believe in the notion of personal responsibility and the value of being an independant person without being dependant on others?

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Originally posted by The17sss Uh, yes, I admit we went to war. Yes I admit that I still don't know if it was a good idea. And?

Going to war is not something to be taken so lightly. The 4,000+ dead should know they died for an absolutely sound cause.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

What should I do... pound my fists on the table? Scream from the mountain top? I'm not taking anything lightly. And you still didn't answer my question: in all honesty... do you believe in the notion of personal responsibility and the value of being an independant person without being dependant on others?

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Originally posted by The17sss What should I do... pound my fists on the table? Scream from the mountain top? I'm not taking anything lightly. And you still didn't answer my question: in all honesty... do you believe in the notion of personal responsibility and the value of being an independant person without being dependant on others?

I do but I believe we have a responsibility to help others who are less fortunate as well.

My point about the war is that you can't possibly say a solider has died for a just cause if you don't even know whether or not it was justified in the first place. And as an extension of that, War should NEVER, EVER, EVER be waged unless it is absolutely the last resort and absolutely necessary.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis I do but I believe we have a responsibility to help others who are less fortunate as well.

your point is noted, and I understand it.

About my question... I was asking because I know you're trying to make the case here for the last couple of days that I'm a hypocrite. So if you believe in the notion of personal responsibility and the value of being an independant person without being dependant on others, does it make you a hypocrite being 22 and still living at your mom's house? (stalker alert- i only know that from the thread about moving out vs. staying at home where it's cheaper).

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Originally posted by The17sss your point is noted, and I understand it. About my question... I was asking because I know you're trying to make the case here for the last couple of days that I'm a hypocrite. So if you believe in the notion of personal responsibility and the value of being an independant person without being dependant on others, does it make you a hypocrite being 22 and still living at your mom's house? (stalker alert- i only know that from the thread about moving out vs. staying at home where it's cheaper).

Not really since I pay rent and my mom needs the help. And I'm not trying to paint you as a hypocrite in any other form besides you thinking the war in Iraq is worth 4,000 American lives but not your own. If its not worth your life or mine, no one else should have to die for it either. If we're all Americans we should all be able to agree on what is worth dying for in the name of this country.


War should be used as self defense ONLY.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.