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Originally posted by Jayx1 so many lefties think obama is a shoe in. Ill laugh if and when mccain wins. Even if obama happens to win its not the cakewalk that the arrogant left has thought it would be. Without a teleprompter, there really isnt much to obama. Its almost embarrassing how he stumbles through interviews when he actually has to talk about topics.

While I agree with you in part (this will not be the cake-walk for Obama, and he is terrible when not scripted) the sad truth is that American Presidents are elected on image more then substance. As long as the Dems can keep the media on their side and the media ratchets up the Obamamania then he'll eek out a victory... not because he's the better candidate or has the better policies (I'm not saying that's true or not, just that it doesn't actually matter) but because he looks and sounds better on TV.

Or maybe I'm just overly cynical.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

If people actually listen to the policies that obama would implement (that is when he actually gets around to talking about them after maultiple exhausting "change" speeches) it's actually quite scary. Obama's policy would further harm an already damaged economy. Obama says he will open the free trade debate. I doubt he will because that means we can renegotiate our oil and water rights. Furthermore, obama has used the same image and policy consultant as none other than dalton mcguinty. Need i say more?

Jay it is obvious that both parties have their own agenda's.The republican agenda however is just down right scary.

You touched on the Democrats economic plans.I would like to see what the Republicans have in mind?and what they have to offer?so far in the last 3 days they havent said a word about economy.All I heard is DRILL DRILL DRILL as far as their energy plan goes.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 If people actually listen to the policies that obama would implement (that is when he actually gets around to talking about them after maultiple exhausting "change" speeches) it's actually quite scary. Obama's policy would further harm an already damaged economy. Obama says he will open the free trade debate. I doubt he will because that means we can renegotiate our oil and water rights. Furthermore, obama has used the same image and policy consultant as none other than dalton mcguinty. Need i say more?

if you *actually* believe that anyone will open up NAFTA, regardless of the rhetoric, you're nuts.

it's all b.s. talk meant to woo voters who've been hit hard by the economic downturn and NAFTA is an easy target. Didn't some CPC gov't clown say so themself?

Pallin erased many criticisms and concerns from within her own party with that simple, often-quoted line of not going to Washington to gain the favour of journalists, but to represent the people.

brilliant piece of speech writing that *definitely* did not come from her.

she sounds like white trash, to be honest

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I wasn't there when the photo was taken; however, my understanding is that it's legit.

fake... like a couple of mine I see... http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp

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Originally posted by MarkT she sounds like white trash, to be honest

she is beyond white trash.

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That event was pathetic.

Such a demonstration of the most mediocre policies, passion and pathetic vision for a flag waiving mess that is america.

Mccain is a great man and would be a great 1 term president in a post nixon era, or an advisor to Obama. But a leader with a vision he is not, a leader in the battlegrounds he may be.

I am personally uncomfortable with a leader who has directly killed other humans even if in a war. And he is in the blood thirsty party. Bad Combo.

I laugh when those think that Obama wont win; and worse that think he shouldnt. To those in disfavour, do that math. The odds are stacked heavily, very heavily in their favour. To assume that those on the fence would sway towards Mccain is nonsensical, and in a terrain that see's a 10 percent higher amount more "typically" democratic voters eligble in a debacle that is the fault of repblican party, during a corrupt and illegal war time, and a quasi- economic freeze; is not doing their math.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 That event was pathetic. Such a demonstration of the most mediocre policies, passion and pathetic vision for a flag waiving mess that is america. Mccain is a great man and would be a great 1 term president in a post nixon era, or an advisor to Obama. But a leader with a vision he is not, a leader in the battlegrounds he may be. I am personally uncomfortable with a leader who has directly killed other humans even if in a war. And he is in the blood thirsty party. Bad Combo. I laugh when those think that Obama wont win; and worse that think he shouldnt. To those in disfavour, do that math. The odds are stacked heavily, very heavily in their favour. To assume that those on the fence would sway towards Mccain is nonsensical, and in a terrain that see's a 10 percent higher amount more "typically" democratic voters eligble in a debacle that is the fault of repblican party, during a corrupt and illegal war time, and a quasi- economic freeze; is not doing their math.

While I also think that Obama will win (not by much though and anything could happen from now until election day), you may just be giving Americans too much credit in that last paragraph. The fact that Bush was elected at all is amazing to me...but he did it TWICE!

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I really enjoy that you all are debating an election in which you have no say and doing a nice job of it.
Sadly, no one in the states ever has a conversation about the political races in other countries... further evidence of our self-centeredness. Seeing your replies made me wish I lived somewhere where more citizens were in the know about world news.
I also love that I ate at a restaurant in London on my way home from Toronto and saw three or four painted pictures mocking George Bush. You would be hard pressed to find a restaurant owner in the states who even KNEW who the leaders of Canada are.

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Originally posted by MissNick I really enjoy that you all are debating an election in which you have no say and doing a nice job of it. Sadly, no one in the states ever has a conversation about the political races in other countries... further evidence of our self-centeredness. Seeing your replies made me wish I lived somewhere where more citizens were in the know about world news. I also love that I ate at a restaurant in London on my way home from Toronto and saw three or four painted pictures mocking George Bush. You would be hard pressed to find a restaurant owner in the states who even KNEW who the leaders of Canada are.

uh...maybe because the results of the U.S. election have a substantial impact on Canada and many Canadians, while the result of a Canadian election means jack shit to most Americans?

and by your logic, it's OTHER countries whose inhabitants are self-centred if they don't discuss external politics, only their own.

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Originally posted by MissNick I really enjoy that you all are debating an election in which you have no say and doing a nice job of it. Sadly, no one in the states ever has a conversation about the political races in other countries... further evidence of our self-centeredness. Seeing your replies made me wish I lived somewhere where more citizens were in the know about world news. I also love that I ate at a restaurant in London on my way home from Toronto and saw three or four painted pictures mocking George Bush. You would be hard pressed to find a restaurant owner in the states who even KNEW who the leaders of Canada are.

Growing up in North Carolina I think the schooling is a big part of an American's ignorance to the outside world. Our 9th grade World Geography consisted of about two weeks on the world and the rest was a very detailed look into the United States. Never learned anything else after that.



There's something AWESOME that can be said about this election though. The US is either going to have its first African-American president or first female vice president. That's change all in itself

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Funny how palin is "white trash". If she were a left wing pro choice candidate the lefties would probably be slamming anyone who wouldnt give her any credit as a sexist.

I do agree with drilling as an option to persue right now. Until we are able to further our renewable energy we need to take what's there. I like T Boone Pickens' idea. Use the energy that we already have in north america now to buy time to develop REAL alternatives in renewable energy. The technology still isnt quite there yet. Why send trillions of dollars overseas when what we need is right here?

Or we can do what obama wants and try to build wind farms without new sources of traditional energy. California tried to do that under a democrat government of course. Give arnie a call and see how thats working out..heheh

As for obama talking BS about nafta to win votes. I guess hes definately taking a page from the mcguinty handbook isnt he? And yet you guys would still vote for a guy that talks out of both sides of his mouth? Give me a break.

Btw because everyone thinks that obama is a shoe in i wouldnt be surprised to see compton, chicago's south side, etc burn the night mccain is elected... im just saying...