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Originally posted by ogvh5150 2000+ Dead GI's click 20,000+ Dead civilians click

buddy, in no way am i doubting those figures at all. and in no way am i sticking up for the war. i just take exception to those against the war using words like \"supposedly\" when talking about saddam's kurd gassing, when that statistic is just as reliable and real as your 20,000 civilians dead figure. would you like me to link you to all the info re the gas attacks as you have me? i was trying to be ironic

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How about we stay on topic? This can be carried over to any Iraq related threads.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Personally, I think alot of these conspiracies are a security blanket for the people who make them. They create these "theories" because they don't want to face the facts that our country was weak in security, and that we failed to protect american citizens.

I may have said this before in this now very long thread, but imho, what all these Conspiracy Theorists are saying is;

They hate the U.S. and it's Governement (or at least it's current Administration) so much, and always have...even to the point where they can't possibly see themselves siding with the U.S. once it has been so wrongly attacked. They know what the Terorrorists did on 9-11 was completely without justification. But they just can't bring themselves to admit it, that maybe the "great satan" was wrongly attacked...so they naturally turn it around and actually BLAME the U.S. for 9-11! What other choice do you have when you're so filled with hate?

Now who is being closed-minded? You Conspiracy Theory nuts, that's who.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I may have said this before in this now very long thread, but imho, what all these Conspiracy Theorists are saying is; They hate the U.S. and it's Governement (or at least it's current Administration) so much, and always have...even to the point where they can't possibly see themselves siding with the U.S. once it has been so wrongly attacked. They know what the Terorrorists did on 9-11 was completely without justification. But they just can't bring themselves to admit it, that maybe the "great satan" was wrongly attacked...so they naturally turn it around and actually BLAME the U.S. for 9-11! What other choice do you have when you're so filled with hate? Now who is being closed-minded? You Conspiracy Theory nuts, that's who.

OK so what your saying is that because I argue there seems to be no plane at the pentagon, going by what I can see with my own eyes in those photos, I hate America.

Good arguement.

^^^I think you must. I'm really at a loss to explain how else you and your conspiracy theory friends here could possibly be so deranged.

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Originally posted by skot_e OK so what your saying is that because I argue there seems to be no plane at the pentagon, going by what I can see with my own eyes in those photos, I hate America. Good arguement.

no, but id like to know what you think was gained by attacking the pentagon. the attacks on the WTCs werent enough? (and id like to point out that thank fvck we have video of the planes hitting the towers coz id hate to see what ridiculous shit people would come up with). the WTC attacks were quite enough to justify a war. why fire a missile at the pentagon as well? theres really no need.

also, do you think they could just invent an aircraft and say it crashed into the building? you dont think the airlines & investigators might notice there wasnt a missing plane that was said to be used? dont be an idiot. and where did the people that were on that plane really go if it didnt crash into the building?

if there was indeed a missile fired by the US military at the pentagon, why lie and say it was a plane when its just as easy (and less problematic) to say there was an operative on the ground that fired the missile at the building?

again, i wish you guys would stop posing questions and start providing answers.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I may have said this before in this now very long thread, but imho, what all these Conspiracy Theorists are saying is; They hate the U.S. and it's Governement (or at least it's current Administration) so much, and always have...even to the point where they can't possibly see themselves siding with the U.S. once it has been so wrongly attacked. They know what the Terorrorists did on 9-11 was completely without justification. But they just can't bring themselves to admit it, that maybe the "great satan" was wrongly attacked...so they naturally turn it around and actually BLAME the U.S. for 9-11! What other choice do you have when you're so filled with hate? Now who is being closed-minded? You Conspiracy Theory nuts, that's who.

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Agent provocateur.

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btw that 911 Eye witness thing i was talking about is on Google Video aswell, view it [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

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Originally posted by Psygnosis btw that 911 Eye witness thing i was talking about is on Google Video aswell, view it [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Interesting...

I'll watch when I have some more time...I started it and them realized it was almost two hours long!

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Hasn't this topic been covered like a gazillion times already?

Regardless, at present I haven't seen any conclusive or even reasonably worthy evidence of any conspiracy.

Therefore I cannot state anything other than it was what was laid out by the 9/11 Commission Report and the Senate Select Committee of Intelligence Report Part 1.

Are there some questionable things to consider? Sure, but I just can't conclude anything past the speculative level.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, but id like to know what you think was gained by attacking the pentagon. the attacks on the WTCs werent enough?why fire a missile at the pentagon as well? theres really no need.

To eliminate someone who had enough backing to prevent the war??? How would I know

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also, do you think they could just invent an aircraft and say it crashed into the building? you dont think the airlines & investigators might notice there wasnt a missing plane that was said to be used? dont be an idiot. and where did the people that were on that plane really go if it didnt crash into the building?

Watch the video, it gives reasons - I am not saying that is how it is at all, it is just an alternative view. Don't quite see how I am an idiot for keeping an open mind...

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if there was indeed a missile fired by the US military at the pentagon, why lie and say it was a plane when its just as easy (and less problematic) to say there was an operative on the ground that fired the missile at the building?

Not gonna happen - a ground op would not be able to carry a large enough weapon to penetrate that many layers of the penatgon.

Hell for all I know it was an Iranian fighter jet, but the US doesn't want to embarras itself by admiting it.