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Originally posted by KaiLee I sure hope not. People thought Rodney King riots were bad?

And that was just some drunk fool who tried to fight a cop.

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Originally posted by Orko Blow up in his face? You make it sound as if it was a deliberate plan to try and make people think he was the second coming of Christ. The guy campaigned to become the president, and do what he can, with the powers that are given to him. As I've said before, he didn't promise rainbows and picnics. Yes, his job is difficult, and no matter what he accomplishes, it will not be enough. After all, it is much easier to destroy something in a short period of time, than it is to build it. Bush/republicans did a lot of damage in 8 years, and it will take much longer than 8 years to fix those problems. He realises that. I'm sure you can agree that the president or any head of state is as symbolic to the country, as they are a person who gets stuff done. Judging by the way he ran his campaign, he can get people behind him, and organize for a positive goal. Realistically that is all he has to do, organize, and motivate. People still need to go to work, raise their kids, and build a better future for them selves. Most people realise that.

It's not Obama that's making it sound like Obama is the 2nd coming of Christ. It's the rest of the world that makes him.

So when Obama doesn't deliver, it's going to get ugly

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Orko Blow up in his face? You make it sound as if it was a deliberate plan to try and make people think he was the second coming of Christ. The guy campaigned to become the president, and do what he can, with the powers that are given to him. As I've said before, he didn't promise rainbows and picnics. Yes, his job is difficult, and no matter what he accomplishes, it will not be enough. After all, it is much easier to destroy something in a short period of time, than it is to build it. Bush/republicans did a lot of damage in 8 years, and it will take much longer than 8 years to fix those problems. He realises that. I'm sure you can agree that the president or any head of state is as symbolic to the country, as they are a person who gets stuff done. Judging by the way he ran his campaign, he can get people behind him, and organize for a positive goal. Realistically that is all he has to do, organize, and motivate. People still need to go to work, raise their kids, and build a better future for them selves. Most people realise that.

I don't think it was a deliberate plan at all....but the people of the world...not just the USA are putting him up on this platform and saying how he is going to change things and make things better. I think people across the world are expecting him to waive some magical wond and make the world a better place...which he has already said he can't do. People are expecting big and fast changes....and when those don't happen people will speak out...not just americans but people across the world.

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i loved the interview with the lady from nigeria.. something along hte lines of "its a great day cuz my brother is president of the US" lol

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Originally posted by Orko Blow up in his face? You make it sound as if it was a deliberate plan to try and make people think he was the second coming of Christ. The guy campaigned to become the president, and do what he can, with the powers that are given to him. As I've said before, he didn't promise rainbows and picnics. Yes, his job is difficult, and no matter what he accomplishes, it will not be enough. After all, it is much easier to destroy something in a short period of time, than it is to build it. Bush/republicans did a lot of damage in 8 years, and it will take much longer than 8 years to fix those problems. He realises that. I'm sure you can agree that the president or any head of state is as symbolic to the country, as they are a person who gets stuff done. Judging by the way he ran his campaign, he can get people behind him, and organize for a positive goal. Realistically that is all he has to do, organize, and motivate. People still need to go to work, raise their kids, and build a better future for them selves. Most people realise that.

I like your words! That mindset is what swung my vote in the end. We need change in America and the man has shown he can bring it.

I'm still amazed at the voter enthusiasm this year. It's beautiful to see so many young people involved!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Come on....do you honestly think they are polling people coming out of the voting booths asking if they voted for someone because of their skin colour? of course there is no documented source for this. Can you honestly believe that every single person who votes is making an actual educated and informed decision? Can you honestly say there are not those who are going to vote because of their racial hate for either the white man or the black man? Even in our own election...I know many people who didn't know anything about the platforms of each party and only based their decision on who sounded like they were lying less.

Of course some people voted based on race - for both parties.
I think the net effect is pretty close to zero, and if you think blacks are more likely to vote black and not vote on issues, then that's a huge insult to the african american community. There is nothing that indicates that blacks vote on race any more than whites do.

If you're trying to say that blacks identified with Obama because he was black and that causes him to be more in tune with the black community and keep their interests in mind as a leader then that's different, and that's not voting on race. Everyone votes for a candidate that has their particular group's best interests in mind - low income or single parents, minorities, etc.

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Originally posted by Yohan So when Obama doesn't deliver, it's going to get ugly

Obama is promising a common sense approach to leading the US and the World. That means not acting before thinking, and not deciding before discussing. As long as he keeps those two promises then he will succeed.

He is a brilliant man. He is quite possibly thee most mentally and emotionally qualified person to be president. These are forward looking times. This is a new generation of leadership that has entered the world stage.

I'll even go as far as to say that George Bush was meant to be such a horrible president and John "BORING" Kerry was meant to lose four years ago just so that Barack Obama could be president right now at this moment.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I don't think it was a deliberate plan at all....but the people of the world...not just the USA are putting him up on this platform and saying how he is going to change things and make things better. I think people across the world are expecting him to waive some magical wond and make the world a better place...which he has already said he can't do. People are expecting big and fast changes....and when those don't happen people will speak out...not just americans but people across the world.

He made it clear in his speech it wouldn't be a quick and easy road to fix what has been scrambled in the last 8 years?

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I disagree that people will be disappointed.
He has been very clear from the beginning what the challenges are. all he promised was to try to change, and to be the voice of the people. He promised to try and repair international relations. I think that's all the american people want at this point - is someone TRYING to change things and make their lives better, because right now, no one is.

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Originally posted by exstasie That's why there is a lot of fear that some radical might do something extreme.

i really don't think he's at much risk for being assassinated, and if he was, it wouldn't be because he was black. active white supremacists (ie ones on stormfront.org) aren't stupid, they know that killing him would make him a martyr and wouldn't solve anything for them. they aren't mccain supporters either as both parties are just as close with israel, support multiculturalism etc...

obama is not yet offering any huge changes like the pending ones that may have warranted JFK's assassination ... and sure he's black but hasn't single handedly pushed for peoples' rights like lincoln or MLK. i guess it is possible that clueless skinheads on meth (like in the "plot" that was discovered at the dem convention) could somehow get past the secret service and kill him on a personal racial vendetta.. but i think that would be unprecedented and very unlikely. if someone has the resources and connections to get away with a presidential assassination (they need more than a willing dude with a gun imo), it would be for a more relevant goal than trying to keep the president white.

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Originally posted by Skipper Of course some people voted based on race - for both parties. I think the net effect is pretty close to zero, and if you think blacks are more likely to vote black and not vote on issues, then that's a huge insult to the african american community. There is nothing that indicates that blacks vote on race any more than whites do. If you're trying to say that blacks identified with Obama because he was black and that causes him to be more in tune with the black community and keep their interests in mind as a leader then that's different, and that's not voting on race. Everyone votes for a candidate that has their particular group's best interests in mind - low income or single parents, minorities, etc.

neither one of us knows why someone votes for someone. All I was suggesting in the first place was that Obama received a larger percentage of the votes from all minority groups...and almost all the votes from black people which is partially why he was elected....he appeals to them....for whatever reasoning they have.

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Originally posted by KaiLee He made it clear in his speech it wouldn't be a quick and easy road to fix what has been scrambled in the last 8 years?

If there is anything I've learned from being in the business world for the last 13 years is just because you state something and make it perfectly clear doesn't mean it changes the expectations of the people. Peoples expectations are high....and if he doesn't meet their expectations...no matter how unrealistic they are...people will be pissed....and its those that get pissed that are going to make the most noise. Remember....its not just US citizens who's expectations are high...its the citizens of planet earth who have these high expectations.....and its going to be impossible to satisfy all of these expectations.

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