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creon444
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Lorz's moustache

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Yeah what definitions? That trance is the "hypnotic/layered/acid" sound and that it is different from the "melodic" sound?


Yes.

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quote:
Trance was only "hypnotic" and "repeatetive" for something like...two years man! In 1991 and 1992 (maybe a bit of '93 as well lol) when trance was actually still techno.


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quote:
After that we started getting the "unicorn-melodies" and the rainbows


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quote:
and this is what actually characterised trance


This I disagree with. Who is to say that is what characterizes trance? People who started listening to it after the unicorns flew in?

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nefardec
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i think the thing that bores me most about trance is that the tracks are usually mixed so flatly. there's no volume, no space in the mix, no dynamic change. the tracks are produced to be stiff and shiny.

anyone who has heard my mixes knows what i like

this is probably what bores me about a lot of music other than trance too. I can't stand the new microtech house and pseudo deep house that is mixed like this either.

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winston
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Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by nefardec


anyone who has heard my mixes knows what i like



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Noisician
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Registered: Aug 2001
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this thread sucks.

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Melodic noise! *goes to pioneer that genre*

it's been done before. copycat.


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Joss Weatherby
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quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
this thread sucks.


it's been done before. copycat.



Thats noise on top of melodies!

I will pioneer just noise thats melodic!

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nefardec
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quote:
Originally posted by diggerz


p ford indeed i prefer his darker stuff though unless its with thomas melchior (eg check your buddhah)

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
i think the thing that bores me most about trance is that the tracks are usually mixed so flatly. there's no volume, no space in the mix, no dynamic change. the tracks are produced to be stiff and shiny.

Yeah, every element is pushed to the max with compression so that the frequency spectrum is flat. If you run a lot of older tracks through a frequency analyzer, you can notice that they are generally lighter on the high end, making them less irritating for extended listening (IMO). They generally don't have forty different perc samples all scattered around the stereo field with fancy delays...

That is actually one genuine difference between the late '90s epic and today's mainstream trance: the mixing. The tracks of that era were not nearly as super-compressed and flat as those of today, and they didn't engage in the same percussion overload.

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saluyamo
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Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Newcastle, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
the tracks are produced to be stiff and shiny.



...Would this to be to your liking?
http://au.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLCWZIGd7IAg&source

quote:
Originally posted by Neo95gt
No, but you didn't experience any of it and you've only been exposed to the hits of the old. You're 19. I barely experienced it. I mean how many live events have you even been to?


You're right I wasent dancing at places like The Oman and E-Werk et etc. But I'm sure if I was I'd love music from that time even more, thats not saying all new music is trash. I just simply enjoy early Trance compared to almost all newer Trance.

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Barachem
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Groningen, Netherlands

I agree with PETRAN here.
It's that people changed that they declare trance as dead and boring and the early years as the best years.
Your taste, view and stance have changed, not so much the music itself.

And the hypnotic repetitive music you refer to as trance is german trance from 1991-1992, it's a blend between techno and trance.
The unicorns started popping out from 1993 onwards in various degrees.

For me it also has been a journey from when i started discovering christian dance up until now, where i mostly like certain modern trance tracks and find much from the middle of the 90s and before not really intriguing and enjoyable because of the lack of harmonic melodies working together.

YES, i love melodies working together harmonically.
Yet i want to see something new, something that makes me consider the track fresh and not just an emulation of previous tracks.
I discovered commercial trance when i heard Barbarus - Hold On.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9WET...feature=related

I became hooked when i heard the Signum remix of Alice Deejay's "Better Off Alone"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HP8LuR0sHxo

I never really loved Superstring, it grew too cheesy on me.
And the whole commercial sounding shit that i could get on CD was beginning to become stale and overused, so in the beginning of 2005 i nearly gave up on trance when i discovered the newer and more underground sound of Anjuna, Armada, etc. by listening to ASOT.
I quickly learned of other internet trance station and when ASOT became too dull for me, i permanently moved on.
In the last two years i've experienced some trance fatigue so now and then, but not as before and i know it's because much new trance is just rehashed shit.
Some gems are among the sea of shit, but that's alright, it keeps me from purchasing too much dung.

Other genres?
House has some nice stuff, but it's not melodic enough.
Techno is mostly not melodic.
Don't mention hard house, hard trance, hard style, gabber, terror, etc., i just hate the styles.
Ambient... where's that beat?
Electro can be nice, but it needs melodic harmony.
Experimental is too experimental for my taste.
D&B can be nice if it's more jungle, but most current D&B is too hard for me.

I nearly exclusively listen to trance because i like it how the style is, but i do like the mixup with other styles.
Call me a unicorn lover and a deadhead, but i most likely will keep liking trance as it is, just some of the new releases that is.

I have accepted that it doesn't matter for me when a track was made, but that it should be appealing to me.
Yes, i tend to dislike the "authentic" old tracks, but that's mostly because i don't like the harmonies between the different melodies and prefer "nicer" trance and because much of it sounds less well produced to me.
But still, if a track has the right elements, i WILL like it.

quote:
Originally posted by basd
You must have been doing an awful lot of clicking around to find a gem like this.


Nah, not really, i followed the following link and accidentally clicked on the right link:

quote:
Originally posted by THE_MARSBAR For instance, what about : http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZzD7...feature=related ?


It's just that i love the track, but never knew who produced it, but now i know.

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RebeL9
The Digital Blonde addict



Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

I never get why people always think that Jam & Spoon is trance exclusive group. Sure they did two good trancy remixes of Age of Love but they have always been leaning on the pop stuff (Stella, Right in the night, Ange) and even their later stuff such as Tripomatic Fairytales 3003 have never been especially trance-oriented.
It's the same with Mauro Picotto. You are just ignorant if you consider him being a trance producer. Just look at he was doing before and after producing Komodo, Proximus etc.

btw.
Here is a belter of a trance tune from 1992.
I challenge any producer of today to make a track as atmospheric as this one.


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PETRAN
Like Antennas To Heaven



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Volos, Greece

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Thats noise on top of melodies!

I will pioneer just noise thats melodic!





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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

I would consider "Inside Looking Out" by Merzbow to be melodic noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mind5HtIB_s

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