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Originally posted by coroknight I never compared homosexuality to cannibalism. I was just pointing out a flaw in your logic and also your argument. Just because someone was raised a certain way doesn't mean we have to accept it.

exactly

just because someone thinks homosexuality is natural, doesn't mean that those who disagree have to accept it

you just affirmed my argument

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

Some dance to remember ~ Some dance to forget

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Originally posted by Aortik In addition, all of the examples in the bible that are against homosexuality are clearly just metaphors for how God loves chocolate chip cookies. I mean, that's how I interpret them, it's what I believe and have faith in, so how could it possibly be incorrect?

This seriously made me lol.

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Originally posted by Aortik considering that monogamy is undoubtedley a female invention in the first place.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was Monogamy not "invented" by men to ensure that they "knew" if a woman was carrying their offspring or not?

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Originally posted by Ania_xox Honestly, you can't be angry with someone for not being a fan of homosexuality. It's not common on such a public level in a lot of countries therefore some people are uncomfortable with it and they think it's wrong.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox you just affirmed my argument

Not from what I can tell. It seems like you were arguing the opposite.

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Originally posted by Theresa Correct me if I am wrong, but was Monogamy not "invented" by men to ensure that they "knew" if a woman was carrying their offspring or not?

I'm not sure about that since men are programmed to procreate as much as possible. Keep the species going lol.

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Originally posted by coroknight Not from what I can tell. It seems like you were arguing the opposite. I'm not sure about that since men are programmed to procreate as much as possible. Keep the species going lol.

Right, they wanted to spread their seed, but did not want to be supporting the seed of another man. It was a one-sided Monogamy, enforcing that a woman only have one mate so as to determine who the offspring belonged to.

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Originally posted by Theresa Right, they wanted to spread their seed, but did not want to be supporting the seed of another man. It was a one-sided Monogamy, enforcing that a woman only have one mate so as to determine who the offspring belonged to.

Ahhh i see what you're saying. Thats where the competition comes in.

SHE WILL BE MINE AND NO ONE ELSES.

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Originally posted by Theresa Right, they wanted to spread their seed, but did not want to be supporting the seed of another man. It was a one-sided Monogamy, enforcing that a woman only have one mate so as to determine who the offspring belonged to.

Yes, this is true. I should have specified that "monogamy for men" is a female invention.

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Originally posted by Aortik Arachnophobia, for example, is a learned behaviour - mostly irrational fear - but try to condition somebody out of it. It's possible, but deeply ingrained fears and prejudices are not things easily purged through logic, despite surmounting evidence to their utter irrationality.

From what I have understood about "irrational fears" (such as Arachnophobia,) it is a result of Evolutionary Lag:

To restate the summary principle of evolutionary biology, "Genetic mutations that enhance one's likelihood to live long enough to reproduce become adaptations." The best estimates are that it takes a minimum of fifty thousand years for an adaptation to show up in the human genome. This is called evolutionary lag -- the time lag between when an adaptation first appears in a small proportion of individuals and when it becomes widely distributed in the population.

From what I gather, we are innately programmed to fear spiders/heights/etc. as in many cases, these things can be life threatening. As we have become more knowledgeable and technologically more advanced, these things do not pose as large of a threat as they once did. As a result, the fear begins to dissipate and the programming is lost, but in some, the innate fear remains aka evolutionary lag.

P.S. I am no expert on the subject, but this is how I understood it.

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Originally posted by Aortik Yes, this is true. I should have specified that "monogamy for men" is a female invention.

Hey, it's only fair... if we have to be monogamous, why not you too?

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Originally posted by barbina I disagree 100% and I recently stumbled upon a study by Helen Fisher to back it up. Its called 'The Brain in Love' and she explains our natural need for love. Watch it here

The results of that study could just as well demonstrate the effects of empathy on brain chemistry. That's not exactly the same, or is it?

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Originally posted by Theresa From what I have understood about "irrational fears" (such as Arachnophobia,) it is a result of Evolutionary Lag: To restate the summary principle of evolutionary biology, "Genetic mutations that enhance one's likelihood to live long enough to reproduce become adaptations." The best estimates are that it takes a minimum of fifty thousand years for an adaptation to show up in the human genome. This is called evolutionary lag -- the time lag between when an adaptation first appears in a small proportion of individuals and when it becomes widely distributed in the population. From what I gather, we are innately programmed to fear spiders/heights/etc. as in many cases, these things can be life threatening. As we have become more knowledgeable and technologically more advanced, these things do not pose as large of a threat as they once did. As a result, the fear begins to dissipate and the programming is lost, but in some, the innate fear remains aka evolutionary lag. P.S. I am no expert on the subject, but this is how I understood it.

So then you're saying that homophobia is a genetic trait and that homophobes are the victims of their heredity?

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Originally posted by Aortik So then you're saying that homophobia is a genetic trait and that homophobes are the victims of their heredity?

Perhaps. Think about it. Our fears are often innately programmed into us in order to protect and preserve humanity. As we all know, homosexuality does not result in babies. As a result, this could be seen as a threat to the preservation of humanity and its growth. Maybe "homophobia" in its *true* state is actually evolutionary lag.

With that being said, I do agree and understand that a lot of fears are "learned". I think that a lot of "homophobes" (or even arachnophobes for that matter,) are not truly reacting based on primal fear but more of a reaction to something they have learned.