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Originally posted by Sammy V 4.Homeowner’s Assistance. Provide tax credit incentives to responsible home buyers so they can keep their homes.

This isn't necessarily a bash on your post, but I've heard this phrase a lot recently. It seems to me the majority "responsible home buyers" don't need government assistance to keep their homes... rather we got into this mess largely because of the irresponsible ones.

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Originally posted by Sammy V Spoken like a true liberal...you're a hypocrite. You say personal attacks are not the way and then you lay a personal attack, at least it was all in the same paragraph.

No, learn to read. which bit of...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN ...This is all opinions, but you have to realise that quoting from a hardline conservative blog with the purpose of alerting others to it's story makes you look like a republican far-right conservative. I'm not saying you are but I hope you get why it could have seemed that way Josh.

.....is a personal attack. Maybe it was the first line. no. Maybe the last line. no.

I didn't personally attack Josh at all, and I think he would have said something if I had.

I simply pointed out that by starting a thread that was copied verbatim from a neo-conservative republican blog poeple would construe or at least assume he is a neo conservative republican, even when by his own statement later on in this thread that he is in fact not.

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Originally posted by Sammy V For the record, I am a free market conservative, Bush's problem is that he was not. And we already have dumb kids and crappy medical care.

I love this. No that he's gone, republicans try to disown Bush, like he wasn't a "free market conservative", He wasn't "conservative enough" etc. - are you fucking kidding me? More deregulation and encouragement of "free market" conservative initiatives happened under bush than under any other president in the last 50 years.

There's the hypocrisy right there. Learn some history after you learn to read.

I'm not liberal in the sense you mean but you use the term "Liberal" like some kind of insult....kind of like yelling "black" at a black guy? Know what i mean? You think it's an insult, but the rest of the world is like "....and?".

Some of my dearest friends an people I respect are or have been staunch conservative republicans, but the thing that makes them different to you sort is they can admit at least that republican conservatism hasn't worked, it won't work in it's current form and their theories such as reaganomics, trickledown supply side economics and deregulated free market conservatism are a flawed design of the past.

sammy v is a tool, quit wasting your time. 'i watch cable news every morning' should have been your first clue, 'newt gingrich for president' should have been your second...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I didn't personally attack Josh at all, and I think he would have said something if I had. I simply pointed out that by starting a thread that was copied verbatim from a neo-conservative republican blog poeple would construe or at least assume he is a neo conservative republican, even when by his own statement later on in this thread that he is in fact not.

The thread was entitled "stimulus bill" because it was supposed to be based on the stimulus bill. The first post was an outline of some of the spending in the bill (Which is avail anywhere as it is of public record) not the article itself.

not sure how many times i need to repeat that. I really made no reference to the article itself, the author, or the neo-conservitive site that I have never even visited.

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Originally posted by HotDogWater rather we got into this mess largely because of the irresponsible ones.

True, but it is in fact effecting reponsible homeowners at this point, regardless of who got us into the mess. They should recieve help. It isnt their fault the home market has been completly wrecked by the irresponsible sub prime loans.

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Originally posted by CND Wall Street Journal editorial that summarizes many of my (conservative) concerns. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440436240475615.html

careful, that could get you a neo-conservitive, palin-limbaugh supporting, fox news, republican pundit cheerleader brand around here.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen True, but it is in fact effecting reponsible homeowners at this point, regardless of who got us into the mess. They should recieve help. It isnt their fault the home market has been completly wrecked by the irresponsible sub prime loans.

That's quite the socialist take on the subject

Current homeowners who can afford their mortgages (myself included) do not necessarily need the help. While they may not be able to sell their houses for a profit at this time, they have not really lost anything. A house is only worth as much as it is sold for, much like the prized baseball card collection gathering dust in your attic. If funds that were earmarked to help ALL with mortgages are diverted to helping only those who can't afford their mortgages, it will help the entire real estate market in the long run. Those shaky mortgages will gain solid footing, which means fewer homes will go into forclosure. This will stem the flooding of available housing on the market, which will in turn keep the pricing floor from dropping. Supply-and-demand comes to mind here.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm not some blind Democrat or Obama fan - it's just that so far he's had a few short weeks to sort out a mess that's took 8 years+ to create, and you've got to give him a chance.

That's the most hilarious thing I've read. All the Libtards like Starboy, R!ch, Clovis et al will shamelessly defend this pork-laden, losing bill out of their own masturbatory vanity and their pathetic sycophancy they hold for Obama like an 11 year old girl does for the Jonas Brothers. This bill is nothing more than a leap towards socialism and a strive (years in the making) for more power by the leftards who nowadays, seemingly are the masters of fear-mongering, sky is falling alarmists!

What is also funny is that the intellectually absent libtards here (R!ch, clovis, starboy...) cluelessly yet sadly hold an improvident world view about this all and most likely will suffer from it the most. You see, big-government libtards who look to it for their happiness and prosperity ultimately never realizes it. Thusly, they continue to bemoan over their trogdylitic lives in passive ways. Sad. But true.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen careful, that could get you a neo-conservitive, palin-limbaugh supporting, fox news, republican pundit cheerleader brand around here.

since you keep pressing the issue, i'll bite. it wasn't even a month ago you told us you're a registered republican, so you can quit telling me i came up with that on my own...

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen rich, starboy, thrax, who are you guys argueing with? Who here is argueing such things as "Obama is not reaching out to the miniority"? Or "republicans have to vote republican no matter what, cause they are registered republicans?" Im registered republican, and I voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Ralph Nadar in 2008. All Im saying is Obama and the democrats are not taking over the world. 4 short years ago the democrats were in bad shape. Power has been shifting for centuries between the two parties, and it will continue to shift. Super Obama isnt going to change that

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...3037&forumid=60

and i'm sure you've said it before in one of the election threads as well...

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen The thread was entitled "stimulus bill" because it was supposed to be based on the stimulus bill. The first post was an outline of some of the spending in the bill (Which is avail anywhere as it is of public record) not the article itself. not sure how many times i need to repeat that. I really made no reference to the article itself, the author, or the neo-conservitive site that I have never even visited.

Josh, your second post (on the 1st page of this thread) is copied directly from the article, prefaced with "Here is the article".
I can quote your second post if you really need reminding.

I know you called it "stimulus bill" to discuss the stimulus bill, but it wasn't just based on the stimulus bill - you posted a full and extremely biased article and then expect everyone to assume you don't agree with it or have contrary views?

What are we supposed think, seriously? I'm trying to understand.

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. That's the most hilarious thing I've read. All the Libtards like Starboy, R!ch, Clovis et al will shamelessly defend this pork-laden, losing bill out of their own masturbatory vanity and their pathetic sycophancy they hold for Obama like an 11 year old girl does for the Jonas Brothers. This bill is nothing more than a leap towards socialism and a strive (years in the making) for more power by the leftards who nowadays, seemingly are the masters of fear-mongering, sky is falling alarmists! What is also funny is that the intellectual absent libtards here (R!ch, clovis, starboy...) cluelessly yet sadly hold an improvident world view about this all and most likely will suffer the most. You see, big-government libtards who look to it for their happiness prosperity ultimately never realizes it. Thusly, they continue to bemoan over their trogdylitic lives in passive ways. Sad. But true.

Please put down the thesaurus for a minute and consider whether you're adding anything constructive to this thread...

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